Anyways, have a read and get back to me with your thoughts.
Cheers,
A. Hine
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Political ExegesisThough an agnostic, my Catholic upbringing compels me often to think in religious terms and, surveying the ranks and philosophy of our enemies today, I feel that urge more than ever. What drives this phenomenon called Islam? – To what and to whom do these pious submitters truly submit? - well, perhaps the answer can be found by examining one of the beautiful tales of the New Testament and comparing it with the material in the Qur’an and Hadith.Voted for by Alexander Hine.
In Luke, Chapter 4, Jesus goes to the desert to face the tests and lures of Satan, from a high and desolate mountain Jesus surveys all the kingdoms the Devil might give him, spreading over the earth in a single flash of temptation. As a child I always imagined rivers of gold and jewels bursting through the sands beneath the Saviour’s feet and was disturbed and inspired by the otherworldly ferocity of his reply: “Get thee behind me Satan: for it is written; Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God.”
Get thee behind me Satan. Jesus rejected all the kingdoms of earth, and all the riches, power and glory that would accompany them because the price paid for them by a prophet would be defection to the forces of evil. For to follow God is not to seek riches and earthly power but communion with the divinity through the consecration of ourselves and the world, even at the expense of riches, property and our lives. That is the essence of the Christian message, the beating heart of a creed of such beauty and power that - despite what the radical secularists might say - our civilisation grows from it like a tree, for which Christ’s words and deeds are both the deep roots and the rich earth that feeds them.
But, enough of my raptures, let us turn to the Qur’an and the Hadith. In these we find many passages in which doing Allah’s work, particularly engaging in Jihad against unbelievers, is explicitly linked to the attainment of worldly possessions. For example, in Sura xlviii: 20 we read, “Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take” in reference to booty from war and raids. And from the Hadith we learn that Muhammad made his early living at Medina by raiding caravans and, later, by making war to expand his sphere of power and to gain greater income though Jizya (poll tax) and Kharaj (land tax). Indeed, in Sura ix: 29 this is commanded –
Fight against…those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
By the end of his life, Muhammad ruled over a miniature empire, which was extended at an incredible rate after his death by the four “rightly guided” caliphs, subsuming two thirds of the Christian world by the 8th Century.
An even more telling example of the divergence between Christian cultural and moral norms and those of Islam is the way in which God and Allah deal with their representatives’ hardships and trials. The God of the Bible is stern with Jesus: even in that most heart-rending moment when he falls on his face in the garden and asks that the cup of death might pass from him, God’s will is given priority. In the New Testament, God’s will is never convenient but always hard – for the path of the righteous is narrow and hard to master. Allah, on the other hand, seems full of convenient revelations to suit whatever earthly lusts Muhammad might have. For example, when Muhammad is troubled by his desire for a woman who is forbidden to him, he receives this revelation:
You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper… (Sura xxxiii: 51)
Now, surveying such a prophetic career and such a god, one cannot help but be struck by sinister echoes of Luke’s Devil:
And the Devil, taking him up into a high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the Devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will give it. (Luke 4: 5-6)
I shall now give into my own temptations and venture that, perhaps, Muhammad failed this most important of tests. Faced with the Devil’s offer of grandeur, riches and power in this life (not to mention concubines and wives) at the expense of Holiness, it would appear that the Prophet of Islam proclaimed “Get thee before me Satan”.
Controversial though I know it is, I feel forced to this conclusion – that, whether conceived in metaphysical or earthly terms, Muhammad represents something inimical to the moral foundations of our society; he is a partisan of darkness. This thought, painfully arrived at, should cast new and stark light on the ever-widening rivers of blood amassing at the borders between “the religion of peace” and the rest of us. The terrorists are not some rogue strain, an abrogation from a peaceful and tolerant religious tradition founded by a Christ-like, if somewhat more down-to-earth, “prophet for our time”. Rather, they are the legitimate inheritors of a tradition founded by a bandit and warlord, with a legacy of aggressive warfare from the conquest of the old Christian world to the siege of Vienna to the resurgence of Jihad today, made so shatteringly explicit in that haunted image of our time: two towers sailing toward earth, filled with screams and fire.
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The religious element in modern terrorism is, by now, too obvious to be ignored – even a number of staunch leftists, like Christopher Hitchens, have come around to the fact that terrorism is not some revolt of the oppressed masses, but an expansionist religious movement inherently at odds with free and civilised societies. However, there are still bastions of what can only be called wilful ignorance in our intellectual culture whose hatred of the West seems to be so great that even terrorist actions against us are, for them, merely an outgrowth of our own sinful nature. The persistence and apparently unshakeable nature of such views was crystallised for me by an exchange I had recently with Kevin Childs, the editor of the Australian Rationalist. In June of this year, Childs wrote an article (Australian Rationalist, June 2008, No. 80) giving warm endorsement to Robert Fisk’s claim that “[t]here is no connection between Islam and “terror”. But there is a connection between our occupation of Muslim lands and “terror.”’ Naturally, I found that all a little too much to swallow and so I wrote a detailed letter in response outlining the continuity of Jihad throughout Muslim history, starting with Muhammad, and pointing out that the Mujahideen today speak of their goals not in terms of ending Western military operations in Iraq or Afghanistan, but of re-establishing the Caliphate and extending Islamic rule over the entire globe. In responding to my letter, Childs conceded that there is an Islamic element in terrorist thinking, but he quickly retreated to a more comfortable place by asserting that the Mujahideen represent a “perversion” of Islam that, you guessed it, came about as a response to Western actions in the Middle East. This implies a mind boggling reverse causation, by which Western actions today somehow forced Muhammad to declare war on all non-Muslims and coerced the four major schools of Islamic jurisprudence into agreeing that war was legitimate against all peoples who refused to convert to Islam or accept its political dominion over them (see Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani, Ibn Taymiyya, al-Mawardi, Ibn Khaldun, al-Ghazali etcetera). It also reveals the irrational, quasi-religious nature of the kind of anti-Western sentiments held by people like Fisk, Chomsky and, it would seem, Kevin Childs. For them, it is not enough to make reasoned criticisms of Western policies or call for genuine reforms in areas where these might be appropriate. No, for them the West - and especially America - is, in fact, the root of all evil - the “Great Satan”, as a prominent promoter of Islamic “peace” might put it.
Now, the reason for my veering off from the exegetical imaginings with which I began into the sniping character assassination above is that I feel there is a real danger that the views of Childs and his ilk might lead us into a false sense of security. A feeling that the enemies we face aren’t really a threat to our civilisation – Edward Said would say that there is no real difference between our civilisations anyway – but rather, something like our own shadow, a Hyde to our Jekyll. A feeling that the real conflict is not a basic cultural one in which we must be resolute and strong, both culturally and militarily, but rather a conflict with our own “Islamophobia”, in which our basic cultural and biological survival instincts should be subsumed to a blurry multicultural “story” about the world, in which the West’s right to assert and defend it’s sovereignty and culture have no coherent place.
The relevance of my comparison of Jesus with Muhammad to all this is that it illuminates a fact that we forget at our own peril: Islam and Western culture are not interchangeable systems just as good or bad as one another. The emancipation of women, the abolition of slavery, universal human rights, democracy, capitalism, modern science and scores of other incredible advances in human life and society which we take for granted are not just ghostly entities that will attach themselves to whatever culture happens to set itself up on our shores. Rather, they are the products of a long and rich cultural tradition, Judeo-Christian in origin, which is quite unmatched in human history. The kind of hypersensitive, self-critical and tolerant frame of mind taken to such extremes by Kevin Childs is made possible by the very inheritance he and others seem so keen to disparage. If our society falls to Islam – and if you think that is impossible, cast your eye to Europe – that which replaces it will not just be Western democracy plus a few hijabs, but a completely foreign and deeply totalitarian system of government. A system of government and culture that, unlike ours, would reward people like Fisk and Chomsky not with praise and awards, but with beheading.
There are legitimate debates to be had about what our tactics should be in this war against radical Islam – the suggestion going around some websites that we should nuke Mecca is a little beyond the pale, in my view – but there is simply no debate that we are at war with a global ideological movement based on the Qur’an, the Hadith and Islamic imperialist tradition. There should also be no debate that, faced with this threat, even radicals would be insane not to realise that now is the time to hop on board with the Great Satan, or else start saving their pennies for the Jizya
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Ridiculously SlantedYeah, that was a great passage about Jesus. You know how many passages in the Bible are about violence and slavery and incest and plagues and wrath?Voted for by Weydon.
Your methods of determining which faith and book-source is more appropriate for an objective morality is extremely flawed. You can't just "randomly" choose parts (seek out a good part from one source, and bad looking parts from another) which parts to read from. It would be like saying The Omen is a better source of media for small children than The Cat in the Hat, because The Omen has that scene of a happy family and parents doting over their child, while The Cat in the Hat has those scenes with disobedient children.
The Koran does say to fight against those who disagree until they submit, but in the sense that they view religious pursuit and conversion as a metaphorical battle. Mohammad also said "The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr." And as for your "Islam is more greedy than Christianity--a rich organization with a long history of greed and corruption", Mohammad also said "A man's true wealth is the good he does in the world."
Muslim's regard Jesus as a wise prophet.
And why is God telling people to not feel guilty over their desires of a woman a bad thing?
A number of Muslim's today are wrapped up in hate, and a warped version of their faith. But their faith is not intrinsically wrong. It is not the difference between "us and them". We have this good peaceful religion on our coast while they're barbequeing babies and obeying the god of wealth.
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Well, it's nice to see such a balanced appraisal of my thought.
I do know some Muslims - not many and not all that well - just through uni - and those I've met are all lovely people. That is simply besides the point; a word of advice - don't judge the Muslims you know by Islam, and don't judge Islam by the Muslims you know.
I am perfectly aware of the many violent and outrageous passages in the Bible, but I challenge you to find me one passage in the New Testament calling on Christians to wage war against unbelievers; or one respected Rabbinical source that interprets the calls to war in the Old Testament as eternal commandments to violence and subjugation in the way that the majority of Muslim scholars throughout history have interpreted the calls to (literal) violence in the Qur'an.
Of course, there is an element of simplification in my essay - as you put it "We have this good peaceful religion on our coast while they're barbequeing babies and obeying the god of wealth" [where did you get barbecuing babies from....pretty sure that one is NOT in the Qur'an :-) ] - but this is simply because I was writing an essay, not a book. In a full length book on such a topic I would give a much more in depth comparative analysis of Christian and Muslim violence in history, for example.
Another reason I focused on Muslim violence in my article is that it is from Islam that the vast majority of terrorism emanates at the current moment. It would hardly make sense to get all upset about the inquisition when there are mujahideen active today (a note for your contemplation: the inquisition killed less people in 150 years than Islamic terrorists do annually).
I don't claim to be an expert on Islam, but before you berate me for wilful distortion, perhaps you should read the Muslim sources I mentioned in the article on Jihad: Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani, Ibn Taymiyya, al-Mawardi, Ibn Khaldun, al-Ghazali. Or some works by Bat Ye'or, Efraim Karsh, Bernard Lewis or - if you want some hard truths but with softened edges - by Irshad Manji.
Well, maybe we'll debate this more later, and perhaps your next comment might be a little less shrill.
Thanks for the reply, all feedback is good feedback :-)
A. Hine
P. S. "And why is God telling people to not feel guilty over their desires of a woman a bad thing?"
Allah says that Muhammad may have as many wives as he likes, from amongst whomever he likes for as long or as short a period as he likes; Allah also allows Muslim men to have - besides up to four wives - as many concubines and sex slaves as they like.
Surely you will grant that such attitudes to women - no mention is ever made of consent, and permission is given (explicitly) to beat disobedient wives - are not compatible with modern Western society.
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I am not denying the obvious fact that the vast majority of terrorists today are Muslim, and that of all the world's major religions they are the one with the current highest amount of physically violent interpretters. But that is not Islam's fault, as the majority of Muslim's are very peaceful.
The riddles of violence and destruction of those of other faith and those that are disobedient are quite abundant in the Bible and Torah, but are ignored today in Christianity and Judaism as we see fit. Muslims are the same. They don't go around killing people for being in different faiths. THey don't have multiple wives and sex slaves. Some do, yes, and I find it horrid. But most don't. Just like in the other 2 Judeo-Christian religions which have passages on multiple wives and misogyny and violence.
Debunking Islam is just going to make togetherness harder. Islam isn't the problem, extremists are. Christianity was responsible for the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Nazi party, the KKK, the Salem Witch Trials, polygamous cults with underage girls in the midwest, and many more. This is NOT Christianity's fault. It never was. It's the fearful followers of extreme leaders that cause this, while each religion itself is capable of much good. -
Still not feeling the logic Weydon
“I am not denying the obvious fact that the vast majority of terrorists today are Muslim, and that of all the world's major religions they are the one with the current highest amount of physically violent interpretters. But that is not Islam's fault, as the majority of Muslim's are very peaceful.”
To put it mildly, this is non-sensical. If the majority of those identifying as communists practiced capitalism that would simply mean that they were not adhering well to their ideology. Likewise, even if the majority of those identifying themselves as Muslims are indeed peaceful that says little about Islam itself. The word “Islam” means submission; the word “Muslim” means one who submits. As such, if someone does not submit to the rules laid down by Allah, such as “kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers; polytheists) wherever you find them, and
capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. (Sura 9:5), then they are not truly submitting, therefore not truly “one who submits”. Just as we do not let the KKK define Christianity (because they defy its basic tenets), so we cannot – sadly – let peaceful Muslims define Islam. Now, I’m sure you’ll turn around with one of those “Jihad means inner struggle” lines, so let me quote from some respected Islamic sources:
"In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.
…The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty to them, save only for purposes of defense…. (Among them) royal authority comes to those who have it by accident….not because they are under obligation to gain power over other nations, as is the case with Islam." (Ibn Khaldun, Islamic jurist and scholar, d. 1406)
"…Jihad is legislated in order to be one of the means of propagating Islam. Consequently Non-Muslims ought to embrace Islam either willingly…through…good advice or unwillingly through fight and Jihad…
It is unlawful to give up Jihad and adopt peace and weakness…unless the purpose of giving up Jihad is for preparation…
If Jihad is not carried out by any part of the nation, all the nation will become sinful." (Sheikh Abdullah Goshash, Cheif Judge of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan)
“The riddles of violence and destruction of those of other faith and those that are disobedient are quite abundant in the Bible and Torah, but are ignored today in Christianity and Judaism as we see fit. Muslims are the same. They don't go around killing people for being in different faiths. THey don't have multiple wives and sex slaves. Some do, yes, and I find it horrid. But most don't. Just like in the other 2 Judeo-Christian religions which have passages on multiple wives and misogyny and violence.”
The Torah is part of the Bible, just to clear that up.
Where in the New Testament is it commanded to slay unbelievers? And, as you wriggled out of this one too, find me a respected Jewish commentator, jurist or Rabbi who interprets the Old Testament’s violent passages as eternal commandments to slaughter, as most Islamic scholars interpret the Qur’an’s. Muslims DO go around killing people for being in different faiths (eg. 60-70 million Hindus slaughtered by Muslims in India under Islamic imperial rule; apostates put to death under Shari’a law) – obviously not all Muslims, only those who obey the teachings of their religion. Muslims don’t HAVE to have multiple wives or sex slaves (whereas they do have to kill unbelievers, or at least conquer them) – my point is that the Qur’an allows this. Your attempts to draw moral equivalence between Judaism, Christianity and Islam aren’t going to work until you can find me the evidence that any mainstream Christian or Jewish theologians promote the kinds of doctrines that Islamic ones do.
“Debunking Islam is just going to make togetherness harder. Islam isn't the problem, extremists are. Christianity was responsible for the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Nazi party, the KKK, the Salem Witch Trials, polygamous cults with underage girls in the midwest, and many more. This is NOT Christianity's fault. It never was. It's the fearful followers of extreme leaders that cause this, while each religion itself is capable of much good.”
* Debunking Islam is important for the same reason as debunking any dangerous ideology. Full stop. The “extremists” are merely following Qur’anic injunctions, Shari’a law, and the example of the prophet. “Togetherness” is clearly not on the fundamentalists agenda….Muslims who obey their host nation’s laws and genuinely have no desire to subvert the West in any way are welcome to all the brotherly feeling I can muster (not least because they are important allies), but some ideal of “togetherness” should not stop me telling the truth about the sources of Islamic terrorism; such extreme intellectual castration can only lead to cultural suicide.
* Perversions of Christianity were responsible for the Spanish inquisition, the Muslim conquest of Christian lands and molesting of Christian pilgrims was the catalyst for the Crusades – though, undoubtedly, misguided religious zealotry was responsible for the many travesties that accompanied them. The Nazi party was an openly anti-Christian movement – Hitler praised Islam as a religion that knows how to kill, and he is still a hero throughout much of the Middle East. The KKK is related to Christianity only as much as the Nation of Islam is related to genuine Islam – that is to say, quite distantly. The Salem witch trials had more to do with ergot than Jesus, as I understand it…though, mind you, I don’t know that much about them. I’m not sure Jesus advocated polygamy, though I know there are passages about in the Old Testament. Of course, it is not a part of mainstream Christian theology in the way it is part of mainstream Islamic theology.
*Religions are capable of much good, that is true. Islam too, is capable of much good – one need only look at the great and relatively tolerant empires of the past. But Islam contains within it the seeds of universal Jihad, and there is just no use lying to ourselves about it when we live in a world where the death count grows every day at the borders of the “religion of peace”.
*Oh, btw, death count for this year’s Ramadan violence was a little lower than usual: approx. 900 dead, 1700 wounded.
*And, while you’re getting upset about Christian violence, let’s put the numbers in perspective. Islamic terrorists kill more people every year than in 350 years of the Spanish inquisition (sorry for the typo in the last post); more people every day than the KKK in the last 50 years; and killed more civilians in 2 hours on 9/11 than in 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. Muslims have carried out around 12 000 deadly terror attacks since 9/11.
Perhaps you’ll address my points a little more directly next time – maybe bring some textual proofs to the table.
Oh, and in case you decide to accuse me of selective quotation again, please read the sources I’ve recommended (at least the sections on Jihad) and look into the doctrine of “abrogation”.
TTFN,
A. Hine
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This is unbridled madness. It is not only still selective quoting, it is selective perceptions and selective humanity. Perverted Christian faith caused Christian horrors, in spite of many violent and perverse Christian writitings. TRUE Muslim faith causes Muslim horrors, while the majority of "perverted" Muslims are peaceful--but their religion still must go.
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I can see you have no real interest in studying what Islam teaches, fine. But couldn't you at least unburden me of my "unbridled madness" by explaining the connection between legitimate interpretations of Christianity and, say, the KKK - rather than just asserting one.
I'm sorry, but where did I say that moderate Muslims should shed their religion? All I have a problem with is mainstream Islamic doctrine on Jihad and the thousands of deaths these teachings cause every year - Muslims who ignore those teachings are fine in my books, though they do so at the peril of apostasy.
Now, maybe you could explain my "selective quoting", is it just when I quote relevant texts that run you the wrong way or do you actually think that I am somehow twisting these Muslim jurist's words?
A. Hine
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I'm sorry, but where did I say that moderate Muslims should shed their religion?"
"Likewise, even if the majority of those identifying themselves as Muslims are indeed peaceful that says little about Islam itself. The word “Islam” means submission; the word “Muslim” means one who submits. As such, if someone does not submit to the rules laid down by Allah, such as “kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers; polytheists) wherever you find them, and
capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. (Sura 9:5), then they are not truly submitting, therefore not truly “one who submits”."
That's where.
I'm not here to profess KKK and Nazi philosophies, which quite obviously use quotes from the Bible to promote their cause. Just as a peaceful Muslim would not spend his time professing the terrorists interpretation. NOR would he spend his time professing Christianity's darker sides.
"Now, maybe you could explain my "selective quoting","
When you quote and interpret a quite literal translation of warring with others to come to your faith. When you quote and interpret "to submit" to mean "to submit to bloodthirsty religious wars". When you ignore the peaceful and profound quotes of Mohammad that I submitted. When you do not quote but brush aside the plethora of Christian and Hebrew violent and perverse texts.
Anticipating your "Well prove my quote wrong then.", yes there are violent words in this religious text just as in others. That is followed up by having the ability to forgive anyone who repents, but even still, violent sounding yes. Why not quote "relevant texts that run you the wrong way" for you? What about Sura (yes I can say chapter in Muslim too) 18:29? "Whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve."? Or all of Sura 109, entitled "The Disbelievers"? "Say: O disbelievers!I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion."??
There are contradicting texts in this religion just like all others you'll come across. In truth oftentimes when they mention mushrikūn they are describing not only those who worship other religions but those that do wrong and plot against their own religion. It can easily be interpreted poorly, agreed. So can our own faith.
My 5 minutes of web search on a religion of people I know to peaceful produced exactly what I knew to find: good quotes and bad quotes. Just like my own religious "source material". But good people cannot believe in a religion of only horrors. They are no worse for wear than our own--filled with good and bad. The religion itself isn't the problem. -
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Seeing as you still accuse me of “selective” quotation, I have decided to provide you with a small collection of sources I have been able to find on this topic. Of course, I am being “selective” in the sense that I am making a point and so I am not quoting every text ever written in Islamic tradition, I am selecting relevant ones. Enjoy.
“As Jihad involves death and the killing of men, Allah draws our attention to the fact that the disbelief and polytheism of the disbelievers, and their avoidance of Allah’s path are far worse than killing. Thus Allah says, "And Fitnah is worse than killing." This is to say that shirk (Polytheism) is more serious and worse than killing.”
* Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Vol. 2, pg. 117, 117 (discussing Sura ii: 191)
“o9.0 JIHAD: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word "mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the less Jihad. As for the great Jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self, (nafs), which is why the Prophet said as he was returning from Jihad.
o9.1 OBLIGATORY CHARACTER OF JIHAD: Jihad is communal obligation. When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others. … and Allah Most High having said: "Those of the believers who are unhurt but sit behind are not equal to those who fight in Allah’s path with their property and lives. Allah has preferred those who fight with their property and lives a whole degree above those
who sit behind. And to each Allah has promised great good." Koran 4:95
o9.3 Jihad is also obligatory for everyone able to perform it, male or female, old or young when the enemy has surrounded the Muslims.
o9.8 The Caliph makes war upon the Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians, provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax Jizya…in accordance with the word of Allah Most High: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden – who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book – until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled." Qur’an 9:29 The Caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim….”
* Reliance of the Traveller, pg. 599
“I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah.”
* A Hadith of Bukhari
“Muhammad said, "I have been ordered to fight against people until they say that "there is no god but Allah", that "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah", they pray, and pay religious taxes. If they do that, their lives and property are safe."”
*Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadis # 0033
“The Qur’an says Jihad receives the highest reward and is the surest way to paradise if the "fighter" dies: "Think not of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead … they live … in the presence of their Lord" (Qur’an 3:169).
"… To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah … soon shall we {God} give him a reward" (Qur’an 4:74).”
* Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadis #387
“In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful. This is a statement from Habib ibn-Maslamah to the inhabitants of Taflis, which lies in Manjalis at Jurzan al-Hurmuz, securing them safety for their lives, churches, convents, religious services and faith, provided they acknowledge their humiliation and pay tax to the amount of one dinar on every household. Ye are not to combine more than one household into another in order to reduce the tax, nor are we to divide the same household into more than one in order to increase it. Ye owe us counsel and support against the enemies of Allah and his Prophet to the utmost of your ability, and are bound to entertain the needy Moslem [sic] for one night and provide him with that food used by “the people of the Book” and which it is legal for us to partake of. If a Moslem [sic] is cut off from his companions and falls into your hands, ye are bound to deliver him to the nearest body of the “Believers”, unless something stands in the way. If ye return to the obedience of Allah [become a Muslim] and observe prayer, ye are our brethren in faith, otherwise poll-tax is incumbent on you. In case an enemy of yours attacks and subjugates you while the Moslems [sic] are too busy to come to your aid, the Moslems [sic] are not held responsible, nor is it a violation of the covenant with you.”
*Habib b. Muslama (ca. 653)
“I though it necessary to reserve the land and its inhabitants, and levy from the latter the kharaj by virtue of their land, and the capitation (jizya) as a personal tax on every head, this poll tax constituting a fay [ie. booty] in favour of the Muslims who have fought there, of their children and of their heirs. Do you think these borders could remain without warriors to defend them? Do you think that these vast [conquered] countries, Syria [-Palestine], Mesopatamia, Kufa, Basra, Misr [Egypt] do not have to be covered with troops who must be well paid? Where can one obtain their pay if the land is divided up, as well as its inhabitants? (pg. 41-41)
Umar’s decision against the dividing up among the conqueror’s of the conquered territories, as soon as Allah had shown him the decisive passages of his Holy Book concerning the subject, constituted for him and his work a sign of divine protection and a blessing for all Muslims. His resolution to levy the kharaj, so that revenues could be shared among the Muslims was beneficial to all the Community (umma), for had it not been reserved to pay the wages and food of the warriors, the border provinces would never have been populated, the troops would have been deprived of the necessary means to carry on the jihad, and one would have been afraid that the infidels would return to their former possessions, since these would not have been protected by soldiers and mercenaries. Allah knows best what is good!” (pg. 43)
* Umar b. al-Khattab (caliph from 634-644) replying to Muslims who demanded the sharing out of the lands of Iraq and Syria (-Palestine) among the conquerors. Note that he never once mentions the welfare of the conquered peoples, only the economic and military concerns of the umma.
“Arab territory differs from non-Arab territory in that one fights Arabs only to oblige them to embrace Islam without making them pay the poll tax: nothing but their conversion is acceptable, and their land, if it is left to them, is tithe land….
The decisions is respect of non-Arabs is different because they are fought not only to convert them but also to oblige them to pay the poll tax, whereas only the first of these objective applies to Arabs since they must either convert or be put to death. We are not aware that either the Prophet or any of his companions, or any caliph since then accepted the payment of a poll tax by the idolatrous Arabs, who had only the choice between conversion or death. If they were conquered, their wives and children were reduced to slavery, which was done by the Prophet toward the Hawazin [a confederation of Arabic tribes defeated by Muhammad] at the time of the Hunayn affair; subsequently, however, he gave them back their freedom. He only acted in this way towards those who were idolaters.” (pg. 100)
*Umar b. al-Khattab
Below are instructions as to how dhimmis must be treated and the restrictions on their activities (not a comprehensive list), I am not sure of the original source, though I found it in Bat Ye’or, The Dhimmi, pg. 169:
“[Y]ou must set a seal upon their necks when the poll tax is collected and until all have been passed in review, though these seals may later be broken at their request, as did Uthman b Hunayf. You have succeeded in forbidding any of them the freedom to resemble a Muslim by his dress, his mount, or his appearance; that all should wear a belt at the waist similar to a coarse string, which each must know in the middle; that their saddles carry, instead of a pommel, a piece of wood like a pomegranate; that their footwear be furnished with double straps. That they avoid coming face to face with Muslims; that their womenfolk do not ride on padded saddles; that they do not build new synagogues or churches within the town and restrict themselves to using, as places of worship, those which existed at the time of the treaty that transformed them into tributaries, and which were left to them without having been demolished….
Their residence in the main towns and Muslim markets is tolerated and they may buy and sell there, but neither wine nor pigs, and without displaying crosses in the main towns; but their headgear will be long and coarse. Consequently, command your representatives to oblige the tributaries to respect these requirements in their appearance, as Umar b. al-Khattab had done, as he said: “in order to distinguish them from the Muslims at a glance.
…Umar b. Abd al-Aziz wrote the following to one of his governors: “After the preliminaries (greetings); do not allow any cross to be exhibited without smashing and destroying it; no Jew or Christian may be allowed to ride upon a saddle, but must use a pack-saddle, and let none of their womenfolk use a padded saddle, but only a pack-saddle; formal decrees must be issued in this respect and the public restricted from disobeying them. No Christian may wear a kaba, nor a fine cloth nor a turban! It has been reported to me that several Christians under your jurisdiction have relapsed into the custom of wearing turbans, no longer wear belts at the waist, and let their hair grow freely without cutting it. Upon my life! If this happens in your entourage, it is on account of you weakness, your incompetence, and the flatteries that you heed…Peace.””
N.B. I include passages like this to emphasize what the state of religious and other freedoms and human rights would be like under Muslim rule, if we were to allow the Mujahideen to succeed. Recall that Bush, when he visits Saudi Arabia, must pray offshore, as it is a criminal offense to do so within the country because Muhammad said that no two religions should exist in Arabia.
“It seems that the most satisfactory suggestion we have heard in this connection [ie. as regards battle procedures] is that there is no objection to the use of any kind of arms against the polytheists, smothering and burning their homes, cutting down their trees and date groves, and using catapults, without, however, deliberately attacking women, children, or elderly people; that one can yet pursue those that run away, finish off the wounded, kill prisoners who might prove dangerous to the Muslims, but this is only applicable to those on the chin of whom a razor has passed, for the others are children who must not be executed….
For my part I say that the decision concerning prisoners is in the hands of the imam: in accordance with whatever he feels to be more to the advantage of Islam and the Muslims, he can have them executed or he can exchange them for Muslim prisoners….
Whenever the Muslims besiege an enemy stronghold, establish a treaty with the besieged who agree to surrender on certain conditions that will be decided by a delegate, and this man decides that their soldiers are to be executed and their women and children taken prisoner, this decision is lawful. This was the decision of Sa’ad b. Mu’adh in connection with the Banu Qurayza [A Jewish tribe, the 700-900 males (those with pubic hair) of which Muhammad had beheaded after they surrendered , and the women and children of which he enslaved]….
The decision made by the chosen arbitrator, if it does not specify the killing of the enemy fighters and the enslavement of their women and children, but establishes a poll tax, would also be lawful; if it stipulated that the vanquished were to be invited to embrace Islam, it would also be valid and they would [if they accepted] therefore become Muslims and freemen.
…it is up to the imam to decide what treatment is to be meted out to them….If he esteems that the execution of the fighting men and the enslavement of their women and children is better for Islam and its followers, then he will act thus, emulating the example of Sa’ad b. Mu’adh. If, on the contrary, he feels that it would be more advantageous to impose that kharaj upon them and that is preferable in order to increase the fay, which enhances the Muslims against them and the other polytheists, then he is to adopt this measure toward them. Is it not correct that Allah has said in His Book: “Fight those…until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humbled” (Koran 9:29), and that the Prophet invited the polytheists to embrace Islam, or, if they refused, to pay the poll tax, and that Umar b. al-Khattab, after having subdued the inhabitants of Sawad, did not spill their blood but made of them tributaries?
…If they offer to surrender and accept the mediation of a Muslim of their choice together with one of their number, this is to be refused, for it is unacceptable that a Believer collaborate with an infidel to arrive at a decision on a religious matter.”
*Abu Yusuf (d. 798). N.B. the dividing up of slaves, the execution of prisoners, the levying of discriminatory taxes etc. are all here included under the description of “religious matters”.
“These possessions [ie. booty] received the name fay since Allah had taken them away from the infidels in order to restore (afa’a, radda) them to the Muslims. In principle, Allah has created all the things of this world in order that they may contribute to serving Him…[c]onsequently, the infidels forfeit their persons and their belongings which they do not use in Allah’s service to the faithful believers who serve Allah and unto whom Allah restitutes what is theirs….
The two other revealed were enfeebled by their incapacity to fulfill themselves…These two erroneous paths are those of men who have embraced a faith without perfecting it with all that is necessary for its own existence; power, jihad, material resources – or that of men who have sought power, fortune, or war without having had as their goal the triumph of [their] religion.”
*Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328)
“Whoever converts from a Jewish to a Christian sect is not free to do so. According to the more correct of the two opinions he is obliged to become a Muslim.
… Two clauses appear in the poll tax contract, one of which is obligatory and the other recommended. The first entails six articles: (a) they must neither attack, nor deform the Holy Book; (
nor accuse the Prophet of falsehood nor quote him with contempt; (c) nor speak of the Muslim faith in order to denigrate or question it; (d) nor approach a Muslim woman with a view to having illegal relations, or marriage; (e) nor entice a Muslim from his faith [N.B. this is why Christian missionaries face such perils, even today, in Muslim lands], nor harm his belongings; (f) nor aid enemies or lodge any of their spies…carrying out any of these acts will result in the nullification of the treaty that has been conceded to them [ie. for all tributaries].
The second clause, which is only recommended, also consists of six points: (a) changing their outward attire by the wearing of a distinctive sign (ghiyar), and a special belt (zunnar); (
prohibiting the constructiong of buildings higher than those of the Muslims. They should be only of equal height, or lower; (c) prohibiting them from causing offence to Muslims by the ringing of their bells, the reading of their books, and their pretensions concerning Ezra [who Muslims seem to think Jews worship as the son of God] and the Messiah; (d) prohibiting them from drinking wine in public, or displaying either crosses or pigs; (e) the obligation for them to conduct their funerals in secret, without overtly crying or lamenting; (f) prohibiting them from riding horses, be they thoroughbreds or crossbreeds, though leaving them the use of mules and donkeys. These six prescriptions are not necessarily to be included in the vasselage agreement, unless they were expressly stipulated, in which case they are strictly obligatory. Despite their having been stipulated, any offence does not result in the nullification of the pact, but the infidels are forcible obliged to respect them and are punished for having violated them….
…They are not allowed to erect new synagogues or churches in the dar al-Islam (territory of Islam) and any built are to be demolished without compensation…
*Mawardi (d. 1058)
“Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis [one of the four schools of Muslim jurisprudence] maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them. The jizya can only be accepted from them if they occupy a territory where our laws can be enforced. If they are out of our reach, the jizya cannot be accepted from them unless they come within our territory. Otherwise we will make war against them…
It is incumbent upon us to fight the enemy without inquiring as to whether we shall be under the command of a pious or depraved leader.
It is not prohibited to kill white non-Arabs who have been taken prisoner. But no one can be executed after having been granted the aman (protection). The promises made to them must not be broken. Women and children must not be executed and the killing of monks and nuns must be avoided unless they have taken part in battle. Women also may be executed if they have participated in the fighting. The aman granted by the humblest Muslim must be recognized by other [Muslims]…
The imam will retain a fifth of the booty captured by the Muslims in the course of warfare and he will share the remaining four fifths among the soldiers of the army. Preferably, the apportioning will take place on enemy ground.”
* Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani (pg. 163) (Maliki school)
“Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought. As for those who cannot offer resistance or cannot fight, such as women, children, monks, old people, the blind, handicapped and their likes, they shall not be killed unless they actually fight with words (e.g. by propaganda) and acts (e.g. by spying or otherwise assisting in the warfare).”
* Ibn Taymiyya (Hanbali)
“It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war… If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.”
* from the Hidayah (Hanafi)
“The mushrikun (infidels) of Dar al-Harb (the arena of battle) are of two types: First, those whom the call of Islam has reached, but they have refused it and have taken up arms. The amir of the army has the option of fighting them…in accordance with what he judges to be in the best interest of the Muslims and most harmful to the mushrikun… Second, those whom the invitation to Islam has not reached, although such persons are few nowadays since Allah has made manifest the call of his Messenger…It is forbidden to…begin an attack before explaining the invitation to Islam to them, informing them of the miracles of the Prophet and making plain the proofs so as to encourage acceptance on their part; if they still refuse to accept after this, war is waged against them and they are treated as those whom the call has reached….”
*al-Mawardi (Shafi’I)
“In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the (Muslim) mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, caliphate and royal authority are united (in Islam), so that the person in charge can devote the available strength to both of them (religion and politics) at the same time.
The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense. It has thus come about that the person in charge of religious affairs (in other religious groups) is not concerned with power politics at all. (Among them) royal authority comes to those who have it, by accident and in some way that has nothing to do with religion…not because they are under obligation to gain power over other nations, as is the case with Islam. They are merely required to establish their religion among their own (people)…
…there were dissensions among the Christians with regard to their religion and to Christology. They split into groups and sects, which secured the support of the various Christian rulers against each other. At different times there appeared different sects. Finally, these sects crystallized into three groups, which constitute the (Christian) sects. Others have no significance. These are the Melchites, the Jacobites, and the Nestorians. We do not think that we should blacken the pages of this book with discussion of their dogmas of unbelief. In general, they are well known. All of them are unbelief. This is clearly stated in the noble Qur’sn. (To) discuss or argue those things with them is not up to us. It is (for them to choose between) conversion to Islam, payment of the poll tax, or death.”
* Ibn Khaldun (d. 1406)
“At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity. Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world. "We have sent you forth to all mankind" (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (da’wa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya.
World peace, the final stage of the da’wa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam…Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Qur’anic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (har
, a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of har
but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur’an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da’wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da’wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them. Only when Muslim power is weak is ‘temporary truce’ (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of ‘temporary’
.”
* Bassam Tibi, (1996)
“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared "some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ." Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order;
that the dar al-Islam (Islamic community) are permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”
* Majid Khadduri (1955)
“But in Islam war is waged to establish supremacy of the Lord only when every other argument has failed to convince those who reject His Will and work against the very purpose of the creation of mankind…
Many Western Scholars have pointed their accusing fingers at some of the above verses in the Qur’an to be able to contend that world of Islam is in a state of perpetual struggle against the non-Muslims. As to them it is a sufficient answer to make... that the defiance of God's authority by one who is His slaves exposes that slave to the risk of being held guilty of treason and as such a one, in the perspective of Islamic law, is indeed to be treated as a sort of that cancerous growth on that organism of humanity.... It thus becomes necessary to remove the cancerous malformation even if it be by surgical means, in order to save the rest of humanity.”
* S. K. Malik, in The Qur’anic Concept of War
“The word “Jihad” means exerting all efforts. It means also struggling hard till you feel exhausted.
To strive against the enemy is to fight him.
Jihad – from the view-point of religion means exerting all efforts in repelling the enemies and in fighting them.
Jihad is an Islamic word which other Nations use in the meaning of “War”.
…I. It is unlawful to give up Jihad and adopt peace and weakness instead of it, unless the purpose of giving up Jihad is for preparation, whenever there is something weak among Muslims, and their opponents are, on the other hand, strong.
If anyone attacks Muslims, Jihad will become an enjoinment in person upon every Muslim qualified for Jihad.
Otherwise, it is an enjoinment by proxy, namely, when any party of Muslims carry out Jihad, the obligation is no longer binding upon the rest.
If Jihad is not carried out by any party of the nation, all the nation will become sinful.
II. War is the basis of the relationship between Muslims and their opponents unless there are justifiable reasons for peace, such as adopting Islam or making an agreement with them to keep peaceful.
III. The abode of Islam (dar al-Islam) is the homeland which is subject to the rules of Islam, and which guarantees the security of its inhabitants, whether they are Muslims or people of Scriptures.
The abode of war (dar al-Har
is the homeland which is not subject to the rules of Islam, and its inhabitants are not as secure as Muslims.
…calling the unbelievers to embrace Islam [is a prerequisite to war). If they refuse this item, then they are to keep their own religion and pay Jizya for their defence and protection. All these steps should be taken before fighting them.
…The Muslims are also free to break their covenant with the enemies if they are uneasy lest the enemies should betray them….”
*Sheikh Abdullag Goshash, Chief Judge of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (1968)
“CONQUEST OF INDIA PRIOR TO DAY OF JUDGEMENT
Reference: At-Tuwaijiri's Ithaf al-Jama'a, Vol. 1, pp. 365-366.
The latest conflict in Kashmir between the mujahideen and India brings to mind the Ahaadeeth regarding the conquest of India prior to the day of Judgment.
Thawban - may Allah be pleased with him - that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Two groups of my Ummah Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Isa b. Maryam - 'alaihimas- salat was-salam." Reported Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and at-Tabarani.
Na'im b. Hammad in al-Fitan reports that Abu Hurairah - may Allah be pleased with him - said that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) mentioned India and said, "A group of you will conquer India, Allah will open for them [India] until they come with its kings chained - Allah having forgiven their sins - when they return back [from India], they will find Ibn Maryam in Syria."
While Abu Hurairah said, "The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) promised us the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Hurairah the freed." Reported by Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and al-Hakim.
In another narration reported by Ahmad, Abu Hurairah says, "I was told by my khalil, the truthful and believed in, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) that there will be in this Ummah an expedition sent to Sind and Hind (India) ... ." The rest of the narration is the same but it has the following addition, "... then I will be released from the Hellfire." At-Tuwaijri remarks this addition explains what is meant by "the freed" above.
Historical background:
Ibn Kathir remarks in al-Bidaya wa n-Nihaya, "The Muslims invaded India during the days of Mu'awiya in the year 44 A.H and [great] events transpired then. And [likewise] the mighty and magnificent King Mahmud b. Subuktikin the ruler of Ghazna invaded the lands of India at the turn of the fifth century. He entered India and killed, took captive, [and] enslaved [many]. He took [much] booty. He entered as-Sumanat (*) and destroyed the great al-Budda which they worship and he stripped it of its jewelry. He then returned [to Ghazna] safe, [Divinely-]aided, and victorious."
* as-Sumanat is a costal city where India's scholars, monks, and the idol al-Budda are found.
At-Tuwaijiri remarks that Ibn al-Athir has detailed the campaigns of Mahmud b. Subuktikin in his book al-Kamil fi t-Tarikh.
Reference: At-Tuwaijiri's Ithaf al-Jama'a, Vol. 1, pp. 365-366.”
*From a “moderate” Muslim website allaahuakhbar.net (accessed 2/10/2008)
"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us - till you believe in Allah alone' [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility - that is, battle - ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [in which case, bin Laden later clarifies, they should dissemble (taqiyya) before the infidels by, say, insisting the conflict is about "foreign policy," nothing more] – (note from Raymond Ibrahim, writing in American Thinker). But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! ... Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred - directed from the Muslim to the infidel - is the foundation of our religion."
“Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: either willing submission; or payment of the jizya [tribute], through physical though not spiritual submission to the authority of Islam; or the sword - for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live."
*Osama Bin Laden; I include the sinister sheikh here to demonstrate the continuity between his views and those of traditional Islamic scholars.
"Jihad in the path of Allah is greater than any individual or organization. It is a struggle between Truth and Falsehood, until Allah Almighty inherits the earth and those who live in it. Mullah Muhammad Omar and Sheikh Osama bin Laden-may Allah protect them from all evil-are merely two soldiers of Islam in the journey of Jihad, while the struggle between Truth and Falsehood transcends time."
*Ayman Zawahiri (second in command, Al Quaeda)
Some Suras relating to defensive war:
xxii: 39 - Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers), who are
fighting them, (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely, Allah is able to
give them (believers) victory.
xxii: 40 - Those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: "Our Lord is Allah." - For had it not been that Allah checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of Allah is mentioned much would surely have been pulled down. Verily, Allah will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allah is All-Strong, All-Powerful.
xxii: 41 - Those (Muslim rulers) who, if We give them power in the land, (they) order for
Iqamat-as-Salat. [i.e. to perform the five compulsory congregational Salat (prayers) (the
males in mosques)], to pay the Zakat and they enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and
all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism and all that
Islam has forbidden) [i.e. they make the Qur'an as the law of their country in all the spheres
of life]. And with Allah rests the end of (all) matters (of creatures).
ii:193 - And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others
along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease,
let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers,
etc.) [Same verse from Dawood's Koran [16] 2:193 states: "Fight against them until idolatry
is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil
doers."]
A passage from Ibn Ishaq’s earlt biography of Muhammad, Sirat Rasulallah, pg. 212, 213 (reference is made to Suras xxii: 39-41 and ii: 193. (This passage is primarily about defensive wars and wars against oppression, but also contains seeds of the more aggressive doctrine Muhammad would start preaching later):
“THE APOSTLE RECEIVES THE ORDER TO FIGHT
The apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood before the
second Aqaba [a place where a pledge was made between Muhammad and his followers
from Medina]. He had simply been ordered to call men to God and to endure insult and
forgive the ignorant. The Quraysh [a leading group of Meccans] had persecuted his
followers, seducing some from their religion and exiling others from their country. They had
to choose whether to give up their religion, be maltreated at home, or to flee the country,
some to Abyssinia, others to Medina.
When Quraysh became insolent towards God and rejected His gracious purpose, accused His
prophet of lying, and ill treated and exiled those who served Him and proclaimed His unity,
believed in His prophet and held fast to His religion, He gave permission to His apostle to
fight and to protect himself against those who wronged them and treated them badly.
The first verse which was sent down on this subject from what I have heard from Urwa b. Al-
Zubayr and other learned persons was: "Permission is given to those who fight because they
have been wronged. God is well able to help them, --- those who have been driven out of
their houses without right only because they said God is our Lord. Had not God used some
men to keep back others, cloister and churches and oratories and mosques wherein the name
of God is constantly mentioned would have been destroyed. Assuredly God will help those
who help Him. God is Almighty. Those who if we make them strong in the land will
establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity. To God belongs the
end of matters [a]. The meaning is "I have allowed them to fight only because they have been
unjustly treated while their sole offense against men has been that they worship God. When
they are in the ascendant they will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and
forbid iniquity, i.e., the prophet and his companions all of them." Then God sent down to
him: "Fight them so that there be no more seduction," [b] i.e. until no believer is seduced
from his religion. "And the religion is God's,", i.e. Until God alone is worshipped."
When God had given permission to fight and this clan of the Ansar had pledged their support
to him in Islam and to help him and his followers, and the Muslims who had taken refuge
with them, the apostle commanded his companions, the emigrants of his people and those
Muslims who were with him in Mecca, to emigrate to Medina and to link up with their
brethren the Ansar. "God will make for you brethren and houses in which you may be
safe."…”
The Tafsir of Ibn Kathir (quoted below) explicitly justifies aggressive warfare against polytheists and other mushrikun. The Sura discussed is ii: 193:
“Then Allah orders Muslims to kill the disbelievers "until there is no more Fitnah." According
to Ibn Abbas and others, "Fitnah" means polytheism, "And religion (worship), is for Allah"
meaning Allah's religion should stand supreme and overshadowing the rest of the religions.
In the Sahihayn, it is reported that the Prophet said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight
the people till they say: "None has the right to be worshipped by Allah, and whoever says it
will save his life and property from me except on breaking the law (rights and conditions for
which he will be punished justly), and his accounts will be with Allah"".”
Below are some Sura’s in which Jihad is made obligatory; in which fighting in the sacred months, ie. when all other tribes would be off-guard due to strict cease fires maintained therein; and in which it is declared that unbelief (al-Fitnah) is worse than killing:
ii: 216 - Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing
which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
ii: 217 - They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th
months of the Islamic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater
(transgression) with Allah is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah, to
disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah), and to drive out its
inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until
they turn you back from your religion (Islamic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of
you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this
life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein
forever.
Below are some Suras in which it is established that Muslims are to discriminate between Muslims and unbelievers when they undertake Jihad and that Allah prefers those who carry out military Jihad to those who do not:
iv: 94 - O you who believe! When you go (to fight) in the Cause of Allah, verify (the truth),
and say not to anyone who greets you (by embracing Islam): "You are not a believer";
seeking the perishable goods of the worldly life. There are much more profits and booties
with Allah. Even as he is now, so were you yourselves before till Allah conferred on you His
Favors (i.e. guided you to Islam), therefore, be cautious in discrimination. Allah is Ever Well
Aware of what you do.
iv: 95 - Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled
(by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of
Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard
and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah
has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above
those who sit (at home) by a huge reward;
And, to clarify that verse iv: 94 is not referring only to killing people in self-defense, we have the following commentary from Ibn Kathir:
“Quoting Ibn Abbas: "Some Muslims chased a man for his booty, who said to them:
"Assalamu Alaykum." They killed him and seized his booty. Consequently, the above verse
was revealed. It is mentioned in a biography that his brother Fazzar emigrated to the Prophet
in compliance with his father's command to call on Fazzar people to embrace Islam. On his
way, one of the Prophet's brigades found him at night. He had already informed them that he
was a Muslim, but they rejected his admission, and killed him. His father said: "I went to the
Prophet and he gave me one thousand dinars and other compensation, and sent me back."
Then, the above verse was revealed.
Al-Bukhari narrated, on the authority of Ibn Abbas: "The Prophet said to Al-Miqdad: "When
a believer conceals his Faith among a people who are disbelievers and he has disclosed his
Islam, then you have killed him, didn't you, too, conceal your Islam in Makkah before?
Narrated by Al-Bukhari in this way (summarized and Mu'allaq).
Iman Ahmed quoted Ibn Abbas as saying: "A man from Banu Saalim who was herding his
sheep, passed by a group of the Prophet's companions, and greeted them. They said: "He only
greeted us in order to seek our protection." They went to him and killed him. Afterwards,
they brought his sheep to the Prophet and the above verse was revealed."
N.B. – the reason that the Muslims were reprimanded by Muhammad was not for killing a man to gain steal his goods, nor for slaughtering an innocent shepherd, but for killing people who confessed to be Muslims.
Below are some more Suras dealing with Jihad. These appear to speak strongly against aggressive warfare but, sadly, they are considered abrogated by later revelations (esp. ix: 36) in the view of most Muslim scholars:
ii:190 - And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits.
Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [To be rigorous, we repeat verse, this time from
Dawood's Koran, op cit, ii:190 - 'Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do
not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.']
ii:191 - And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have
turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-
Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you,
then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
ii:192 - But if they cease, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
N.B. – the non-aggressive injunction here is limited in time and application, as it was the result of a temporary treaty (Hudna) made specifically with the Meccans. As proof of this, it need only be noted that Muhammad attacked, unprovoked, the Jewish farming community of Khaibar just six weeks after making this treaty and receiving this revelation. This point is also born out by Bukhari’s commentary:
“No doubt, the war has weakened Quraish and they have suffered great losses, so if they wish,
I will conclude a truce with them, during which they should refrain from interfering between
me and the people (i.e. the 'Arab infidels other than Quraish), and if I have victory over those
infidels, Quraish will have the option to embrace Islam as the other people do, if they wish;
they will at least get strong enough to fight.”
Below are some famous passages from Sura ix (the last revelation concerning Jihad), often referred to as the passage of the sword. It is sometimes, rightly, pointed out that these aggressive verses do not refer to Christians and Jews, ie. People of the Book, but that is hardly a comfort to Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, Wiccans etc. who would all fall under the label of Mushrikun:
ix:1 - Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of
the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with
whom you made a treaty.
ix:2 - So travel freely (O Mushrikun - see V.2:105) for four months (as you will) throughout
the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will
disgrace the disbelievers.
ix:3 - And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the
10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all)
obligations to the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun)
repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the
Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.
ix:4 - Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not
subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their
treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious - see
V.2:2).
ix:5 - Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic
calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and
capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they
repent and perform As-Salat (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakat, then leave their way free.
Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
ix:6 - And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the
Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the
Word of Allah (the Qur’an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because
they are men who know not.
ix:7 - How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikun
(polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom
you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah)? So long, as they are true to you,
stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Mattaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
And, in case you think these are metaphorical Suras, here is a commentary from The Life of Muhammad (pg. 617-620):
“A discharge came down, [Muhammad received a revelation from God], permitting the
breaking of the agreement between the apostle and the polytheists that none should be kept
back from the temple when he came to it, and that none need fear during the sacred months.
That there was a general agreement between him and the polytheists; meanwhile there were
particular agreements between the apostle and the Arab tribes for specified terms. And there
came down about it and about the disaffected who held back from him in the raid on Tabuk,
[a Christian town Muhammad attacked, and forced them to pay him], and about what they
said (revelations) in which God uncovered the secret thoughts of people who were
dissembling. We know the names of some of them, of others we do not. He said (This
chapter is a commentary on Sura 9) "A discharge from God and His apostle towards those
polytheists with whom you made a treaty," i.e. those polytheists with whom you made a
general agreement. "So travel through the land for four months and know that you cannot
escape God and that God will put the unbelievers to shame. And a proclamation from God
and His apostle to men on the day of the greater pilgrimage that God and His apostle are free
from obligation to the polytheists," i.e., after this pilgrimage. So if you repent it will be better
for you; and if you turn back know that you cannot escape God. Inform those who disbelieve,
about a painful punishment except those polytheists with whom you have made a treaty," i.e.
the special treaty for a specified term, "Since they have not come short in anything in regard
to you and have not helped anyone against you. So fulfill your treaty with them to their
allotted time. God loves the pious. And when the sacred months are passed, He means the
four which he fixed as their time, "then kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and seize
them and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and
perform prayer and pay the poor-tax, then let them go their way. God is forgiving, merciful.
If one of the polytheists, i.e. one of those whom I have ordered you to kill, asks your
protection, give it him so that he may hear the word of God; then convey him to his place of
safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."
Then He said: "How can there be for the polytheists" with whom you had a general
agreement that they should not put you in fear and that you would not put them in fear
neither in the holy places nor in the holy months "a treaty with God and His apostle except
for those with whom you made a treaty at the sacred mosque?" …
…Then the apostle gave orders to fight the polytheists who had broken the special agreement as
well as those who had a general agreement after the four months which had been given them
as a fixed time, save that if any one of them showed hostility he should be killed for it….
…Then comes the story of their enemy until he arrives at the mention of Hunayn [a battle site
between Muslims and non-Muslims], and what happened there and their turning back from
their enemy and how God sent down help after they had abandoned one another.
…Then He mentioned Tabuk and how the Muslims were weighed down by it and
exaggerated the difficulty of attacking the Byzantines when the apostle called them to fight
them; …”
And some extra commentary from Ibn Kathir on Sura ix: 5:
“"But if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free.
Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful"
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq used this and other honorable Ayat (verse or passage) as proof
for fighting those who refrained from paying the Zakah. These Ayat allowed fighting
people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its ruling and obligations.
…So when the sacred months have passed… meaning, "Upon the end of the four months
during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolaters, and which is the grace period
We gave them, then fight and kill the idolaters wherever you may find them…
…This honorable Ayah was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which Ad-Dahhak bin
Muzahim said, "It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolater,
every treaty, and every term." Al-Awfi said that Ibn Abbas commented: "No idolater had any
more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara'ah was revealed.”
Below is a Sura which does deal with the People of the Book. Jews and Christians have an additional option to those of the Pagans (who face conversion, death or temporary treaties), but they must ultimately submit to Islam spiritually, submit politically and accept second class status in a Muslim state, or die:
ix:29 - Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid
that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge
not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
And here is a commentary from Ibn Ishaq (pg. 620), explaining that the Jizyah (poll tax) is a financial compensation for the revenues lost in the conquest of Mecca and destruction of the wealth-creating pagans (upon whom Muhammad and his followers had preyed for their livelihood):
“Then He said (v. 28): "The polytheists are nothing but unclean, so let them not approach the
sacred mosque after this year of theirs, and if you fear poverty" that was because the people
said "the markets will be cut off from us, trade will be destroyed, and we shall lose the good
things we used to enjoy," and God said, If you fear poverty God will enrich you from His
bounty," i.e. in some other way, "if He will. He is knowing, wise. Fight those who do not
believe in God and the last day and forbid not that which God and His apostle have forbidden
and follow not the religion of truth from among those who have been given the scripture until
they pay the poll tax out of hand being humbled," i.e. as a compensation for what you fear to
lose by the closing of the markets. God gave them compensation for what He cut off from
them in the former polytheism by what He gave them by way of poll tax from the people of
the scripture….”
Another commentary (from Ibn Kathir) emphasizes the degrading aspect of Muslim treatment of minorities under Shari’a and illuminates the potential difficulties of devout Muslims living under non-Muslim rule:
“Allah said, until they pay the Jizyah, if they do not choose to embrace Islam, with willing
submission, in defeat and subservience, and feel themselves subdued, disgraced, humiliated
and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate
them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated.”
Here we have an annotated version of Sura ix: 29 with notes from Al-Jalalein:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what
Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that
abolishes all other religions) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and Christians)
until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel
themselves subdued. (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam)”
And, from Reliance of the Traveller:
The Caliph makes war upon the Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians, provided he has first
invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to
enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax Jizya…in accordance with
the word of Allah Most High:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah
and His messenger have forbidden - who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those
who have been given the Book - until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled."
9:29
The Caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim….
N.B. the three options given to the People of the Book are clearly convert, pay a humiliating “protection” tax, or die. Do you happen to remember what happened to the Armenian Christians when they tried to assert their human rights and break their Dhimma (protection contract) with their Muslim masters?
The verses below don’t explicitly refer to Jihad, though they are given in that context. They do, however, provide justification for making war on Jews and Christians, declaring them deluded, liars and cursed by Allah:
ix: 30 - And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is
the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the
disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
ix: 31 - They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides
Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own
desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of
Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilâh (God - Allah) (none has the right to be
worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners
they associate (with Him)."
And, from Ibn Kathir:
“Fighting the Jews and Christians is legislated because they are Idolaters and Disbelievers.
Allah the Exalted encourages the believers to fight the polytheists, disbelieving Jews and
Christians, who uttered this terrible statement and utter lies against Allah, the Exalted. As for
the Jews, they claimed that Uzayr was the son of God, Allah is free of what they attribute to
Him. As for the misguidance of Christians over Isa (Jesus), it is obvious. That is why Allah
declared both groups to be liars.”
Here is a verse commanding Muslims to fight unbelievers who are near to them:
ix:123 - O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them
find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious
- see V.2:2).
Ibn Kathir, again, shows us the logical conclusion of this command – expansion of the House of Islam by the sword:
“Allah commands the believers to fight the disbelievers, the closest in area to the Islamic state,
then the farthest. This is why the Messenger of Allah started fighting the idolaters in the
Arabian Peninsula. When he finished with them and Allah gave him control over Makkah,
Al-Madinah, At-Taif, Yemen, Yamamah, Hajr, Khaybar, Hadramawt, and other Arab
provinces, and the various Arab tribes entered Islam in large crowds, he then started fighting
the People of the Scriptures. He began preparation to fight the Romans who were the closest
in area to the Arabian Peninsula, and As such had the most right to be called to Islam,
especially since they were from the People of the Scriptures. The Prophet marched until he
reach Tabuk and went back because of the extreme hardship, little rain, and little suppliers.
This battle occurred on the ninth year after his Hijrah.”
Now let us look at one of the famous verses of tolerance from the Qur’an and put it into it’s context, as understood by Islamic scholars:
ii: 256 - There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from
the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped
the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
The context for this revelaton is given in the Hadith of Abu Dawad, Book 14, #2676:
“When the children of a woman (in pre-Islamic days) did not survive, she took a vow on
herself that if her child survives, she would convert it a Jew. When Banu an-Nadir were
expelled (from Arabia), there were some children of the Ansar (Helpers) among them. They
said: We shall not leave our children. So Allah the Exalted revealed; "Let there be no
compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error."
N.B. – what is being said here is that, if the Jewish mothers who were being exiled by Muhammad wished to take their babies they could, so that they would not become Muslims. This is NOT a verse promoting genuine tolerance, only making limited allowances.
The following commentary from Ibn Kathir notes that even the limited tolerance of this verse was abrogated by later ones:
“…this verse is abrogated by the verse of "Fighting": "You shall be called to fight against a people given togreat warfare, then you shall fight them, or they shall surrender" (sura 48:16). Allah alsosays: "O Prophet! Strive hard against the disbelieves and the hypocrites, and be harsh againstthem" (9:73), and He says, "O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are closeto you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Pious, (9:123).
Therefore, all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do
so, or refuses to pay the Jizya they should be fought till they are killed. This is the meaning
of compulsion. In the Sahih (al-Bukhari), the Prophet said: "Allah wonders at those people
who will enter Paradise in chains", meaning prisoners brought in chains to the Islamic state,
then they embrace Islam sincerely and become righteous, and are entered among the people
of Paradise.”
There are several stories of forced conversions in the Sirat Rasulallah, which I shall recount for you at a leter date if you wish.
Perhaps this is enough to convince you, at least, that I am making a sincere effort to understand the doctrine of Jihad and the roots of Islamic terrorism, and not merely a bigot or insane as you insinuated in your posts.
I am ready to change my mind about Islam, in fact I would love to. But, so far, you have simply libeled me – diagnosing madness but providing nothing to alleviate it.
I hope we can get on with this discussion in a more civilized manner. Perhaps you could start by providing me with a similair compendium of texts backing up your claims of moral equivalency between Islam/Judaism/Christianity. I know that mine above is by no means comprehensive – eg. Too much reliance on a limited number of scholars – but, frankly, I’ve found no evidence of significant Islamic discourse – outside of Taqquiya - that disagree with the basic tenets of Jihad enunciated above. However, I am not a professional scholar and will contemplate and consider any evidence you present me with and, if convincing, alter my position accordingly.
Cheers,
A. Hine
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“I'm sorry, but where did I say that moderate Muslims should shed their religion?"
"Likewise, even if the majority of those identifying themselves as Muslims are indeed peaceful that says little about Islam itself. The word “Islam” means submission; the word “Muslim” means one who submits. As such, if someone does not submit to the rules laid down by Allah, such as “kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers; polytheists) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. (Sura 9:5), then they are not truly submitting, therefore not truly “one who submits”."
That's where.”
Well, here we are getting into complications so I’ll try to rephrase what I said in another way. I think it is great if there are Muslims in the world who want to reinterpret the Qur’an and the Hadith and break free from the old jihad ideology of their forebears (I’m not sure how large this contingent are - approx. 10-15% of Muslims worldwide openly support the jihad (Source: Pipes), but outside of this group there must be all kinds of gradations of opinion and belief - and pockets of extremism like Morocco, where 60% of Muslims approve of terrorist attacks against Western targets in the Middle East (source: Ye’or)). The point that I am trying to make is that we can’t just pretend that Islam itself (the Islam of the Qur’an, the Hadith, Islamic jurisprudence and 1400 years of history) is “peaceful” just because some moderate Muslims say it is so. We must realize that Muslims who say that Islam should not dominate the world, that killing infidels is wrong, that freedom of religion should be guaranteed, that freedom of expression should be guaranteed, that all peoples, Muslim and non-Muslim, should have equal human rights and other such things, are breaking with Islamic tradition – they should be admired and supported, but not if they simply assert Islam’s tolerance and peacefulness and label those who question them “Islamophobes”. This attitude, sadly, is one quite prevalent today amongst Islamic apologists; I have yet to find a moderate website or article that gives any kind of detailed reinterpretation of passages of violence and Islamic tradition to arrive at a peaceful version of the faith – Islamic history and teaching is simply denied (see, for example www.religionofpeace.com for typical obfuscation – plus links to site advocating Jihad!).
I’m not saying that Muslims should “shed their religion”, only that they have to make a coherent stand on those elements of their religion that the radical purists of Islam embrace if they want to be taken seriously as “moderate”.
“I'm not here to profess KKK and Nazi philosophies, which quite obviously use quotes from the Bible to promote their cause. Just as a peaceful Muslim would not spend his time professing the terrorists interpretation. NOR would he spend his time professing Christianity's darker sides.”
That was a very unique way to avoid my challenge (to find a link between legitimate Christian teachings and the KKK) but I shall try to address your point anyway. A group may use quotes from the Bible to support any and every cause, but whether their interpretation is legitimate, from the viewpoint of mainstream Christian and Jewish teaching, is another matter. For example, I have read a few books promoting atheism that quote extensively from the Bible to make their case, yet one would not venture that these books were thus somehow C
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"You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper… (Sura xxxiii: 51)"
Does this apply solely to Mohammed or every Muslim? If this were applied to everyone who converts to Islam, and I am presuming it does except maybe for women, what kind of civility would there be among people who had this belief. Chaos could and more than likely would reign. Sounds demonic to me as the God I know and love is a God of shalom and not a God of chaos and confusion. If it's not God it isn't of God.
Thessalonians 3:16
Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means.
"“Get thee before me Satan”. "
Agreed, as we all do. We are sinful man. Jesus Christ is Lord only through Him can we avoid sin. Only through Him do we attain righteousness. Solomon was a very rich man. He too had a lot of wives and concubines and as we see from reading Ecclesiastes he wasn't exactly blessed by them all
"The religious element in modern terrorism is, by now, too obvious to be ignored – even a number of staunch leftists, like Christopher Hitchens, have come around to the fact that terrorism is not some revolt of the oppressed masses, but an expansionist religious movement inherently at odds with free and civilised societies. "
Britain being one of the major targets of this underhand very coercive misleading force.
You make some excellent points of concern that so many honest people are making. Sometimes it appears that being politically correct means falling into a trap of ignorance or gullability that is dangerous. Even creating fear that thoughts of men and becoming some kind of extremist themselves they may have to give up on their own opinions in some kind of twisted style of humilty in order to please men that are in no way appreciative but simply taking advantage of their idiocy, while laughing at the "stupid west" when none of them are looking. BTW the Bible advices against being men pleasing
I know some are going to accuse me of paranoia, I wonder how many people said that when the Jews started to go missing and how long ago was that.. not that long ago at all.
It is going to get a lot lot worse on this earth people have no real idea, they are too busy worrying about the economy as it is now or in the near future, just wait until there is not enough food to feed the billions of us on this planet and we are under muslim rule! It might happen soon, it might not happen but what if it does at this rate it is perfectly foreseeable, for some of us realists anyway.
As far as tactics are concerned I fear it is not going to happen within the governments unless something or someone radical makes a true stand and speaks out for people who remember that we are not muslim and never will be. Jesus will return one day soon and until then my eyes are on Him always. Prince of peace who turns the other cheek and teaches us to love our neighbour as we love ourselves, not to steal or be adulterous, or to lie or murder. Gosh He is all that! I love you Lord with all my heart! Thank you Christ for my salvation and your everlasting mercies which are new every morning. My only desire is to receive boldness of heart by the power of the Holy Spirit to bring light in a dark world and preach of His goodness and love for us all so that we may join Him when our body dies once we have been born again in the Spirit! Amen.
Bring it on islam even if I stand before your people and have my head chopped off my heart rejoices that Jesus already has the victory at Calvary on the cross. Where our ongoing sins of the flesh were washed away and new life given to those who accept His worthy sacrifice and turn their face to the wall, that is His calling for us to return to Him and away from unrighteousness.
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You comparison to Solomon is very interesting. Of course, the difference is that Muhammad was a the founder of a religion and is considered the "living Qur'an" - a guide for all good Muslims as to how they should behave today. Robert Spencer makes the point that, in his historical context Muhammad was a typical, if zealous, warlord - but his behaviour translated to today is terrorism plain and simple, not to mention peadophilia, robbery and a number of other unacceptable behaviours.
“Agreed, as we all do. We are sinful man. Jesus Christ is Lord only through Him can we avoid sin. Only through Him do we attain righteousness.”
The universal sinfulness of humanity (whether seen theologically or not) is something ignored at our peril; communism and Islam are both prime examples of what happens when people forget their own imperfect nature and seek to institute the Kingdom of Heaven on earth through military or other material means.
“Britain being one of the major targets of this underhand very coercive misleading force.”
Is it true that Britain now has functioning Shari’a law courts, some of which can have their decisions enforced through British law? If so, I worry deeply for the once-great nation – it may be the beginning of a slow death.
“As far as tactics are concerned I fear it is not going to happen within the governments unless something or someone radical makes a true stand and speaks out for people who remember that we are not muslim and never will be. Jesus will return one day soon and until then my eyes are on Him always. Prince of peace who turns the other cheek and teaches us to love our neighbour as we love ourselves, not to steal or be adulterous, or to lie or murder. Gosh He is all that! I love you Lord with all my heart! Thank you Christ for my salvation and your everlasting mercies which are new every morning. My only desire is to receive boldness of heart by the power of the Holy Spirit to bring light in a dark world and preach of His goodness and love for us all so that we may join Him when our body dies once we have been born again in the Spirit! Amen.
Bring it on islam even if I stand before your people and have my head chopped off my heart rejoices that Jesus already has the victory at Calvary on the cross. Where our ongoing sins of the flesh were washed away and new life given to those who accept His worthy sacrifice and turn their face to the wall, that is His calling for us to return to Him and away from unrighteousness.”
Though I am not a believing Christian myself, you faith is quite inspiring and you are obviously sincere in your belief – you conviction reminds me of the early martyrs of Christianity who sang as they walked into the Roman arenas to face death.
Your comments about Islamists taking advantage of our ignorance are very insightful. I don’t know if you are aware of the doctrine of el-taquiyya in Islam or not, but this doctrine essentially sanctifies lying for the cause of Islam – it is the reason honest, educated Muslims can sincerely declare that Islam a “religion of peace” without batting an eyelid, despite knowing full well the doctrines and history of their religion that put the lie to the statement.
Well, it’s nice to get some positive feedback – I’ll send you a copy of the magazine if you’d like, if I get published that is.
Shalom Aleichem,
A. Hine
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