But more importantly, while her response was fairly polite, I hate this "That's just how I was raised" or "I was brought up like that" excuse people give. What does that it even mean? It's supposed to excuse their behavior, but it doesn't mean ANYTHING. Good old-fashioned values? Grow up. This excused being raised to never let a lady pay for dinner, or being raised to see it as okay to burp at the dinner table. But what if you were raised to fine black people as subhuman? Child abuse as wonderful? There is a line to be drawn. Any 9 year old that hasn't come to a point where they had to question what someone older told them was right and wrong isn't going to amount to much in life. You were raised to believe two harmless people that love each other can't marry even though it's none of your business? Well then, I guess it's okay that you parade around denouncing it. I didn't realize you were RAISED that way. What was I thinking. Logic and compassion and common sense don't work against your parents telling you something is wrong.
"That's just how I was raised" is a PITIFUL explanation for a moral position. It's a cop out. It's a way to make something you feel may offend someone look more wholesome. Get a REAL explanation for what you think. I don't care if you were raised that way, it just means I disagree with your parents as well.
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*claps*Weydon.... i love you...33% Voted for by Crazyhead, bluefreedom, darkscorpia.
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I thought of a better answer in secondsI'd heard about this issue for a while but never actually watched the footage.But now i have and i thought of a better answer REALLY FUCKING QUICKLY that wouldnt have got her into trouble.22% Voted for by GinryuStargazer, Lady Nightshade.
'i think that the issue of same sex marriage is something that needs to be figured out in every state using our wonderful democratic right.if every state made a vote of if the people of that state wanted same sex marriage or not then it would be the majority view on what happens.this is so people can voice their opinions on the subject without hurting or offending anyone as it is easily done.i hope all states look at the issue and sort it out so people who want it can have it.'
HOW FUCKING EASY IS THAT.you dont say 'i dont agree with it' because its the miss usa contest,i dont want to sound stereotypical but, im sure it has a large gay audience and that just wouldnt be a good idea.if you want to voice your opinions remember LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.if you dont agree with it for religious reasons,great,fine,its hard to argue with religion to be honest as that is a life long choice of people.b ut if your just bigoted you can fuck off.
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:)I think you're absolutely right, Weydon.22% Voted for by Ns243cxcvi, Weydon.
I think it's ironic how these days so many people fine excuses for their homophobia, or whatever you want to call it. (I'm sure people did the same when women and black people wanted rights too.) I bet that if she had gone up and said (as a response to a question) that she supported racism or antisemitism or any idea that is popularly hated, no-one would be defending her freedom of speech. I still giggle over how she says "In my country ..."
People are on the defensive because they're trying to preserve their sense of security.
I don't know anything about the rules, but it makes perfect sense that a contestant's answers would affect her chances of winning ... and therefore perfectly appropriate. -
Judgewhile her response was fairly polite, I hate this "That's just how I was raised" or "I was brought up like that" excuse people give. What does that it even mean? It's supposed to excuse their behaviorVoted for by Energizer Bunny.
I don't think she was asking for anyone to excuse anything nor do I see where her opinion needs to be excused. She was asked for her opinion so she gave it. If the judge doesn't want to hear her opinion on such a heated subject then don't ask! He has a right to ask and she has a right to give it which she did.
But what if you were raised to fine black people as subhuman? Child abuse as wonderful? There is a line to be drawn. He asked her a marriage quesion, not about anything else, especially child abuse. That's funny.
Any 9 year old that hasn't come to a point where they had to question what someone older told them was right and wrong isn't going to amount to much in life.
A gay judge asked a straight woman about marriage???...HHuumm nothing wrong there, UNLESS he was expecting to hear an answer pleasing to him instead of the honest one he got. Sounds like a bias judge to me. I don't care if he is as gay as the day is long or straight as an arrow. The point is he asked a contestant an honest question and he got an honest answer, one he no doubt was not expecting...LOL.
You were raised to believe two harmless people that love each other can't marry even though it's none of your business?
If he couldn't handle the answer then he should have thought twice before asking such a loaded question. Loaded because he was not willing to accept someone's honest answer whether he liked it or not...for he was not looking for an honest response, but instead he was ONLY looking for a response that HE deemed acceptable. Yep, a bias judge asked a loaded queston.
Well then, I guess it's okay that you parade around denouncing it.
Oh damn...I missed the parade. I love parades. Well, I did get to see her attempting to defend herself against the liberal media though.
Logic and compassion and common sense don't work against your parents telling you something is wrong.
yep especially when they are right. At the very least parents have a right to raise they children as they see fit. As that child grows then he will decide to continue to believe as he was taught or not. Sounds like she decided to continue on. I'm glad she made up her own mind. That's a wonderful right to have.
I think she showed real class in the way she gave her answer. She gave alot more repsect towards the judge than he gave her. I love how days later in his online blog he decided to post a video of himself using all kinds of profanities directed towards her. he ranted on and on like a crazy man. OMG..the news outlets had a fun time showing his blog video. Too bad he never learned some old-fashioned values like respect during his young years. After seeing his blog video cussing and ranting phase, I bet whoever screens these potential judges will hopefully do a much better job in the future. he went way over the top acting so childish and it was clear Donald was anything but pleased with his behavior. I like the fact that some of the gay community have expressed displeasure with how he ranted in his blog. Even many of the liberal news outlets said many gays have stated he is a poor representative of the overall gay community.
It's a way to make something you feel may offend someone look more wholesome.
Not quite. It's a way of giving an honest response (one that you know he will disagree with before hand) to someone while hopefully offending him as little as possible. It's called respect and apparently his parents did not teach him any. Dang those old-fashioned values! -
It takes a while, give folks a brakeI know I use that a lot. My family has poor ethics and I am trying to fix them. through personal experience I know it's possible to change but it takes a while. It takes loads of correcting in your brain. You have to train your brain to change and you have to constantly remind yourself that it's not right.Voted for by Rachel92.
I'll point out a few things. My family is asian and they have this nuclear temper, and so do/did I. I am trying to stop this behavior and be a better person and not be such a jerk or whatever you like to call it. So, I remind myself constantly, but because How I was raised I still do it often, though, I've done some improvement. I know it's not okay now, but... *sigh* when you've been around such people and is still around them it's hard. I do regret my action and after you've lectured them and made drama when you don't even to, it's hard to correct.
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That reminds me of a man, who never associates with "church people"(as he might say) claiming they are judgemental, even though he has never met no one in that church. Yet, he stands out in front of the church calling everyone inside bigots....LOL. Look if she would be considered a bigot by most people then I hate to think of what that judge really is. Actually, I'd be willing to be that most would NOT consider her a bigot because that is just not the case.
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Weydon
May 25, 2009
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I think you're pretty okay too...Weydon
May 26, 2009
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"To top it all off, to allow him to savage this girl for standing up for her beliefs (regadless of where they come from) with no sanctions to him from any pagent authority that I have seen or heard says alot about the pagent, the process, and society as a whole."
I heard a little about how he went off on her, which was extreme. I understand the outrage to the intolerance of homosexuals, but I don't know if she specifically deserved a personal tirade against her character. But again, I don't know the context of the situation.
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This isn't about gay/straight it's about a small minded person that was given a position of power and he abused that resposibility."
But how is that small-minded? As I said, I don't really watch these things, but I was under the impression that they usually asked moral questions or even amoral questions that invoked moral responses. Like "If you had one wish" and instead of saying "A mansion" they say "World peace". The moral answer is the favorable one.
"I am proud to say that I know many homosexuals that are much more noble than Mr.(Ms?) Hilton, including Weydon, usually."
lol Are you under the impression I'm gay? I suppose I don't talk much about my personal life on the site, except for here and there. I am--believe it or not--straight (with the exception of my desire for pete...), and am currently in a very committed relationship with a beautiful young lady. It's funny really; I probably talk more about you guys at home than I talk about my home life on here. I hope I didn't just blow your mind! But you can keep referring to me as your "Gay friend online" if it makes things easier
Energizer Bunny
May 26, 2009
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No actually she was not. She was just being herself. I think you are digging for something that is not there.
Why else even say that part? She could've just gave her opinion on the matter, but she had to let everyone know that's JUST how she was raised.
But she did just give her opinion. She did not care for anyone to know how she was raised. Anyone could tell she inserted that just to be nice in her response to him...or I thought anyone could tell
Giving a "perfectly valid" reason for her beliefs
I didn't see the judge giving specific reasons why he just had to ask that particular question, instead of the predictable "world peace" question..LOL.
That's like saying a black judge asked a white woman if she thinks blacks should have the same marriage rights and whites. And he expects to hear an answer pleasing to him?? How absurd!
Not quite. If that black judge ask the marriage question to the white person "just wanting to hear her answer" and "willing to comprehend, he did not ask her a yes or no question, but he asked her a "I want your opninion question"
then and only then would he be a fair judge. But you see that is clearly not what took place. Mudgod knows exactly what I'm saying too. He did not give a crap about her answer. He had predetermined to accept only the answer HE DEEMED ACCEPTABLE and nothing else would do. In simple words he asked her an opinion question but actually wanted a definite yes or no answer. Yes, that makes him a bias judge and no he should never judge again. That was pitiful. and definitely shameful.
She then became a spokeswoman for organizations like the "Defense for Marriage"
So then people should not stand up for what they believe in?? I hope it never comes to that. Whether it's about gay marriage or straight marriage, it is her right to support which ever she chooses too. I see nothings wrong there. It's alot better than starting a blog and showing your intelligence by ranting, cussing and calling the young woman all kinds of names. Even the liberal media thought he showed no class there.
She never gave her reason! It's just "I was raised that way". That's not a reason.
why not? anyone, upon hearing that response in context would have no trouble understanding how she was raised. You can't fault her for attempting to be courteous to the judge, regardless of his lack of respect for her.
What if she was raised to steal? Would she do it, or would she change her mind because it is wrong to take what other have earned for your own selfish gain. What if she was raised NOT to steal? Would she continue doing so for the mere fact she was raised as such? Or for the same reason she'd change her mind in the former scenario.
By saying "it's how I was raised", that is a way of politely saying My parents raised me that way and yes, after careful consideration, I will continue to believe in the same way for me it is the right way.
She is a bigot
If so I pray the world is full of them then.
No decision was made, except to follow what others have told her without any consideration for the effects it has on a world that doesn't touch her. Selfish!
But she did make a decision. No matter how someone is reaised eventually they WILL make up there own mind. Her mind sounded pretty made up to me. Selfish or Unselfish??? NO more/no less than anyone else.
It can NEVER be respectful, no matter how you phrase it.
Sorry, many things in this world are very wrong but not this time my friend. Just a young woman asked an "OPINION" question by a judge who thinks "his" opinion is all that matters, and shows it by his response of her answer in the news oulets starting not soon after it was all over. He is a no-cass act. Even the gay community was starting to frown on his response in his blog. Bottom line: He is a poor representative of the gay community...that's not according to me but according to the gays in the liberal media outlets. I'd say that narrows it down pretty nicely.
Grow up, and grow a heart.
She is growing very nicely it appears. She is taking a stand for what she believes. Kudos for her.
Energizer Bunny
May 26, 2009
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No actually she was not. She was just being herself. I think you are digging for something that is not there.
Why else even say that part? She could've just gave her opinion on the matter, but she had to let everyone know that's JUST how she was raised.
But she did just give her opinion. She did not care for anyone to know how she was raised. Anyone could tell she inserted that just to be nice in her response to him...or I thought anyone could tell
Giving a "perfectly valid" reason for her beliefs
I didn't see the judge giving specific reasons why he just had to ask that particular question, instead of the predictable "world peace" question..LOL.
That's like saying a black judge asked a white woman if she thinks blacks should have the same marriage rights and whites. And he expects to hear an answer pleasing to him?? How absurd!
Not quite. If that black judge ask the marriage question to the white person "just wanting to hear her answer" and "willing to comprehend, he did not ask her a yes or no question, but he asked her a "I want your opninion question"
then and only then would he be a fair judge. But you see that is clearly not what took place. Mudgod knows exactly what I'm saying too. He did not give a crap about her answer. He had predetermined to accept only the answer HE DEEMED ACCEPTABLE and nothing else would do. In simple words he asked her an opinion question but actually wanted a definite yes or no answer. Yes, that makes him a bias judge and no he should never judge again. That was pitiful. and definitely shameful.
She then became a spokeswoman for organizations like the "Defense for Marriage"
So then people should not stand up for what they believe in?? I hope it never comes to that. Whether it's about gay marriage or straight marriage, it is her right to support which ever she chooses too. I see nothings wrong there. It's alot better than starting a blog and showing your intelligence by ranting, cussing and calling the young woman all kinds of names. Even the liberal media thought he showed no class there.
She never gave her reason! It's just "I was raised that way". That's not a reason.
why not? anyone, upon hearing that response in context would have no trouble understanding how she was raised. You can't fault her for attempting to be courteous to the judge, regardless of his lack of respect for her.
What if she was raised to steal? Would she do it, or would she change her mind because it is wrong to take what other have earned for your own selfish gain. What if she was raised NOT to steal? Would she continue doing so for the mere fact she was raised as such? Or for the same reason she'd change her mind in the former scenario.
By saying "it's how I was raised", that is a way of politely saying My parents raised me that way and yes, after careful consideration, I will continue to believe in the same way for me it is the right way.
She is a bigot
If so I pray the world is full of them then.
No decision was made, except to follow what others have told her without any consideration for the effects it has on a world that doesn't touch her. Selfish!
But she did make a decision. No matter how someone is reaised eventually they WILL make up there own mind. Her mind sounded pretty made up to me. Selfish or Unselfish??? NO more/no less than anyone else.
It can NEVER be respectful, no matter how you phrase it.
Sorry, many things in this world are very wrong but not this time my friend. Just a young woman asked an "OPINION" question by a judge who thinks "his" opinion is all that matters, and shows it by his response of her answer in the news oulets starting not soon after it was all over. He is a no-cass act. Even the gay community was starting to frown on his response in his blog. Bottom line: He is a poor representative of the gay community...that's not according to me but according to the gays in the liberal media outlets. I'd say that narrows it down pretty nicely.
Grow up, and grow a heart.
She is growing very nicely it appears. She is taking a stand for what she believes. Kudos for her.
Energizer Bunny
May 26, 2009
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No actually she was not. She was just being herself. I think you are digging for something that is not there.
Why else even say that part? She could've just gave her opinion on the matter, but she had to let everyone know that's JUST how she was raised.
But she did just give her opinion. She did not care for anyone to know how she was raised. Anyone could tell she inserted that just to be nice in her response to him...or I thought anyone could tell
Giving a "perfectly valid" reason for her beliefs
I didn't see the judge giving specific reasons why he just had to ask that particular question, instead of the predictable "world peace" question..LOL.
That's like saying a black judge asked a white woman if she thinks blacks should have the same marriage rights and whites. And he expects to hear an answer pleasing to him?? How absurd!
Not quite. If that black judge ask the marriage question to the white person "just wanting to hear her answer" and "willing to comprehend, he did not ask her a yes or no question, but he asked her a "I want your opninion question"
then and only then would he be a fair judge. But you see that is clearly not what took place. Mudgod knows exactly what I'm saying too. He did not give a crap about her answer. He had predetermined to accept only the answer HE DEEMED ACCEPTABLE and nothing else would do. In simple words he asked her an opinion question but actually wanted a definite yes or no answer. Yes, that makes him a bias judge and no he should never judge again. That was pitiful. and definitely shameful.
She then became a spokeswoman for organizations like the "Defense for Marriage"
So then people should not stand up for what they believe in?? I hope it never comes to that. Whether it's about gay marriage or straight marriage, it is her right to support which ever she chooses too. I see nothings wrong there. It's alot better than starting a blog and showing your intelligence by ranting, cussing and calling the young woman all kinds of names. Even the liberal media thought he showed no class there.
She never gave her reason! It's just "I was raised that way". That's not a reason.
why not? anyone, upon hearing that response in context would have no trouble understanding how she was raised. You can't fault her for attempting to be courteous to the judge, regardless of his lack of respect for her.
What if she was raised to steal? Would she do it, or would she change her mind because it is wrong to take what other have earned for your own selfish gain. What if she was raised NOT to steal? Would she continue doing so for the mere fact she was raised as such? Or for the same reason she'd change her mind in the former scenario.
By saying "it's how I was raised", that is a way of politely saying My parents raised me that way and yes, after careful consideration, I will continue to believe in the same way for me it is the right way.
She is a bigot
If so I pray the world is full of them then.
No decision was made, except to follow what others have told her without any consideration for the effects it has on a world that doesn't touch her. Selfish!
But she did make a decision. No matter how someone is reaised eventually they WILL make up there own mind. Her mind sounded pretty made up to me. Selfish or Unselfish??? NO more/no less than anyone else.
It can NEVER be respectful, no matter how you phrase it.
Sorry, many things in this world are very wrong but not this time my friend. Just a young woman asked an "OPINION" question by a judge who thinks "his" opinion is all that matters, and shows it by his response of her answer in the news oulets starting not soon after it was all over. He is a no-cass act. Even the gay community was starting to frown on his response in his blog. Bottom line: He is a poor representative of the gay community...that's not according to me but according to the gays in the liberal media outlets. I'd say that narrows it down pretty nicely.
Grow up, and grow a heart.
She is growing very nicely it appears. She is taking a stand for what she believes. Kudos for her.
Energizer Bunny
May 26, 2009
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No actually she was not. She was just being herself. I think you are digging for something that is not there.
Why else even say that part? She could've just gave her opinion on the matter, but she had to let everyone know that's JUST how she was raised.
But she did just give her opinion. She did not care for anyone to know how she was raised. Anyone could tell she inserted that just to be nice in her response to him...or I thought anyone could tell
Giving a "perfectly valid" reason for her beliefs
I didn't see the judge giving specific reasons why he just had to ask that particular question, instead of the predictable "world peace" question..LOL.
That's like saying a black judge asked a white woman if she thinks blacks should have the same marriage rights and whites. And he expects to hear an answer pleasing to him?? How absurd!
Not quite. If that black judge ask the marriage question to the white person "just wanting to hear her answer" and "willing to comprehend, he did not ask her a yes or no question, but he asked her a "I want your opninion question"
then and only then would he be a fair judge. But you see that is clearly not what took place. Mudgod knows exactly what I'm saying too. He did not give a crap about her answer. He had predetermined to accept only the answer HE DEEMED ACCEPTABLE and nothing else would do. In simple words he asked her an opinion question but actually wanted a definite yes or no answer. Yes, that makes him a bias judge and no he should never judge again. That was pitiful. and definitely shameful.
She then became a spokeswoman for organizations like the "Defense for Marriage"
So then people should not stand up for what they believe in?? I hope it never comes to that. Whether it's about gay marriage or straight marriage, it is her right to support which ever she chooses too. I see nothings wrong there. It's alot better than starting a blog and showing your intelligence by ranting, cussing and calling the young woman all kinds of names. Even the liberal media thought he showed no class there.
She never gave her reason! It's just "I was raised that way". That's not a reason.
why not? anyone, upon hearing that response in context would have no trouble understanding how she was raised. You can't fault her for attempting to be courteous to the judge, regardless of his lack of respect for her.
What if she was raised to steal? Would she do it, or would she change her mind because it is wrong to take what other have earned for your own selfish gain. What if she was raised NOT to steal? Would she continue doing so for the mere fact she was raised as such? Or for the same reason she'd change her mind in the former scenario.
By saying "it's how I was raised", that is a way of politely saying My parents raised me that way and yes, after careful consideration, I will continue to believe in the same way for me it is the right way.
She is a bigot
If so I pray the world is full of them then.
No decision was made, except to follow what others have told her without any consideration for the effects it has on a world that doesn't touch her. Selfish!
But she did make a decision. No matter how someone is reaised eventually they WILL make up there own mind. Her mind sounded pretty made up to me. Selfish or Unselfish??? NO more/no less than anyone else.
It can NEVER be respectful, no matter how you phrase it.
Sorry, many things in this world are very wrong but not this time my friend. Just a young woman asked an "OPINION" question by a judge who thinks "his" opinion is all that matters, and shows it by his response of her answer in the news oulets starting not soon after it was all over. He is a no-cass act. Even the gay community was starting to frown on his response in his blog. Bottom line: He is a poor representative of the gay community...that's not according to me but according to the gays in the liberal media outlets. I'd say that narrows it down pretty nicely.
Grow up, and grow a heart.
She is growing very nicely it appears. She is taking a stand for what she believes. Kudos for her.
Energizer Bunny
May 26, 2009
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No actually she was not. She was just being herself. I think you are digging for something that is not there.
Why else even say that part? She could've just gave her opinion on the matter, but she had to let everyone know that's JUST how she was raised.
But she did just give her opinion. She did not care for anyone to know how she was raised. Anyone could tell she inserted that just to be nice in her response to him...or I thought anyone could tell
Giving a "perfectly valid" reason for her beliefs
I didn't see the judge giving specific reasons why he just had to ask that particular question, instead of the predictable "world peace" question..LOL.
That's like saying a black judge asked a white woman if she thinks blacks should have the same marriage rights and whites. And he expects to hear an answer pleasing to him?? How absurd!
Not quite. If that black judge ask the marriage question to the white person "just wanting to hear her answer" and "willing to comprehend, he did not ask her a yes or no question, but he asked her a "I want your opninion question"
then and only then would he be a fair judge. But you see that is clearly not what took place. Mudgod knows exactly what I'm saying too. He did not give a crap about her answer. He had predetermined to accept only the answer HE DEEMED ACCEPTABLE and nothing else would do. In simple words he asked her an opinion question but actually wanted a definite yes or no answer. Yes, that makes him a bias judge and no he should never judge again. That was pitiful. and definitely shameful.
She then became a spokeswoman for organizations like the "Defense for Marriage"
So then people should not stand up for what they believe in?? I hope it never comes to that. Whether it's about gay marriage or straight marriage, it is her right to support which ever she chooses too. I see nothings wrong there. It's alot better than starting a blog and showing your intelligence by ranting, cussing and calling the young woman all kinds of names. Even the liberal media thought he showed no class there.
She never gave her reason! It's just "I was raised that way". That's not a reason.
why not? anyone, upon hearing that response in context would have no trouble understanding how she was raised. You can't fault her for attempting to be courteous to the judge, regardless of his lack of respect for her.
What if she was raised to steal? Would she do it, or would she change her mind because it is wrong to take what other have earned for your own selfish gain. What if she was raised NOT to steal? Would she continue doing so for the mere fact she was raised as such? Or for the same reason she'd change her mind in the former scenario.
By saying "it's how I was raised", that is a way of politely saying My parents raised me that way and yes, after careful consideration, I will continue to believe in the same way for me it is the right way.
She is a bigot
If so I pray the world is full of them then.
No decision was made, except to follow what others have told her without any consideration for the effects it has on a world that doesn't touch her. Selfish!
But she did make a decision. No matter how someone is reaised eventually they WILL make up there own mind. Her mind sounded pretty made up to me. Selfish or Unselfish??? NO more/no less than anyone else.
It can NEVER be respectful, no matter how you phrase it.
Sorry, many things in this world are very wrong but not this time my friend. Just a young woman asked an "OPINION" question by a judge who thinks "his" opinion is all that matters, and shows it by his response of her answer in the news oulets starting not soon after it was all over. He is a no-cass act. Even the gay community was starting to frown on his response in his blog. Bottom line: He is a poor representative of the gay community...that's not according to me but according to the gays in the liberal media outlets. I'd say that narrows it down pretty nicely.
Grow up, and grow a heart.
She is growing very nicely it appears. She is taking a stand for what she believes. Kudos for her.
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