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If God made everyone, why are gay people going to Hell?

Christians always say that gay people will go to Hell. but why? they are Gods childern too, why are they being singled out?


  • Why do gays go to Hell?

    I think that this is totally stupid, and that is why I am Wiccan.

    15%  Voted for by Vampyric Atrocity, sjrlink100, Axel Dream, Lady Nightshade, GinryuStargazer. (6 total)
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  • No one goesto hell forbeing gay

    As a Christian, I would like to point out; no one goes to hell because of being gay or bad or any thing like such. People will finally go to hell for, Not accepting Christ, as their Physical, saving God. Sin is a product of the curse of temptation and plagues us till we die. Good person or bad makes no difference.

    15%  Voted for by Glamorous, frndofyaweh, green-eternity, jonesz12, looking4realtruth. (6 total)
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  • God creates them, they make themselves.

    Indeed, God made everyone. But if you are talking about the Biblical God, he did not specifically make people with a gay sexuality. No more than he made people who rebel and disobey their parents, or people who lie. But the reality of the matter is that the human race has messed up. We've all got problems we must deal with. Some of them are bad habits and others seem to be woven into our very being. The Bible indicates that homosexuality is not a natural, created thing. Rather, like all sins, it is the exact opposite. The Bible also states that God will tolerate nothing in opposition to his will forever. Therefore, if homosexuality is in opposition to God's will, it will suffer the fate that all opposition will face. The good news is that Christ came to redeem all peoples from this punishment. The call to repent and turn again to God has been said for a long time. Our futures, whether in heaven or hell, whether with God or apart from him, are in our own hands and at the mercy of our free will.

    13%  Voted for by keyman7, Glamorous, huffnpuff86, mdm, Oblivions Touch.
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  • Can you not see past yourself?

    Does I really need my IQ of 166 to figure this out? It is completely irrational and illogical to believe in any sort of religion. Think about it: Have you ever actually seen something spiritual? You haven't. Even if you think you might have, is it 100% clear to you? No, it is never 100% clear, 100% of the time. And then, even if you are a very spiritual person, do you possess the capability to understand other religions? Why is it that people can not be Catholic and still understand how other people worship. Einstein said, "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment, few people are capable of even creating such opinions." Are you all so blind as to follow a religion without evaluation? Are you all so blind as to think that the version of morality you have been taught is the correct one without doubt? Are you so conceited as to believe that no one else is correct in their own frame of thinking? And then comes the gay issue. Many religious-right people can not come to terms with it. They can ONLY believe what they have been taught, as they are literally only CAPABLE of believing it. In other words, they are not intelligent enough to understand another's viewpoint with equanimity, as Einstein said. Thus, perhaps you should all sit down one night and try to see yourself living in Iraq right now. Then try to understand what that would be like, and create your own respect for those people. Try to understand what it might be like to be gay, thinking outside of your own titter-tatter belief system based upon on one church, one family, and one life. Try to do as Einstein said, and perhaps even with an IQ of 100, you will come to understand.

    10%  Voted for by northerner357, piedragon, DavaJean, WiseOwl.
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  • .........

    there not.its as easy as that.if god created homosexual people then he doesn't have a problem.

    5%  Voted for by allaboutpoetry, Childof-theNight.
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  • Everyone's accountable
    God holds everyone accountable for their actions.

    Homosexual, or not, there is a set of standards that is enforced by God, if you believe in God. According to Christianity, no one is capable of living up to these standards, so everyone is in the same spiritual boat as any homosexual. The difference is in action, and intent. Though you may not want to obey (or even see the need for it), you must never accept that your own desires are above God's will, and always strive to obey. God will forgive all who sincerely repent, and there is not one person alive who isn't a sinner, but repentance requires your every effort to *stop living the way God doesn't want you to*.

    According to the three major religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Muhammadism (what is now popularly known as Islam), and several less popular religions, homosexuality is a taboo, a forbidden sin for no other reason than "because the authority of that religion said so".

    Of these, Christianity is the only one that actually offers 'hope' to homosexuals.
    Explanation: All these religions are grounded in a belief in an objective standard, the belief that a higher authority dictates right, and wrong, justice, and injustice, and anyone "breaking the rules", or falling short of this code of behavior, or morality, is subject to the penalty of such actions by the higher authority.

    Normally, in a religion, when you break the taboo you're pretty much screwed, but Christianity is the only religion that teaches ALL have "broken the taboo". Since everyone is equally guilty, no one can be judged by another human, only someone innocent can judge (like God). To avoid confusion; any sin (homosexuality or no) is *never* to be 'tolerated', accepted, or endorsed, but a Christian is *never* allowed to feel as though they are 'better' than the sinner, because the Bible teaches they are not. Hint; this is one of the ways you can spot someone who is a Christian in word only, and there are WAY too many of those.

    The other two main God worshiping religions, and several less popular religions, teach that there are some things God *will not* forgive, or at the very least the followers of these religions are not to forgive certain sinners in any way. Some sins, they teach, are so heinous that the sinners are to be sequestered, banished, ridiculed, shamed in every way, even executed. Homosexuality is one of these sins.

    God is a perfect being, he must be dealt with on an ideal level, as well as a practical. I can be judged for stealing a penny just as quickly as for stealing the life savings of my invalid grandmother, and suffer the same penalty. The crime itself (or the *act* of disobedience) is the problem here, not the severity of the crime.
    5%  Voted for by Sydney Carton, Applehead.
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  • Maybe they don't really go to Hell and the writers of the Bible just got it wrong. Or they had some prejudices, just like us. Or maybe the Church added some lines into the Bible 'cause they didn't like it. I don't think God really wants gays to go to Hell, someone somewhere along the line has gotten it wrong.

    5%  Voted for by redbrita, justonewish.
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  • No such thing as hell

    Gay people aren't going to hell because there is no hell. I personaly belive that god is a passive God, so he doesn't help OR punish us. So there is no such thing as hell, Karma, yes. Hell, no. (So no, I don't know what happens to sinners. Just not going to hell)

    5%  Voted for by Moonlight Serenade, mizundastoodgal.
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  • heres your answer

    god didnt creat any of that and the bible god also gave us the freedom of choice and now we can make mistaces we can lie we can kill he didnt creates us we breated our selves

    Voted for by jay8297.
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  • Okay, All My Personal Opinion

    Okay well in my personal opinion religion is all talk..man wrote the bible not "God" and man will lie to make things go his or her way...its how things work..everyone has a biest opinion on everything and yes and word can be taken in differnetly say you take a sentance and you translate it into a different language-not all languages have the same words so it comes out different..German doesnt have the word `Drama` and in Spanish there are no apostrophies to show possession or anything such as that..so when the bible was translated from Hebrew there is a very good chance somethings were changed and parts of the bible are quite contradictory such as how it says that if you sin and do not ask for forgiveness you shall be banished to Hell for all eternity when you die but then if you ask for forgivness no matter what it is you've done you dont but yet if you disobey the Ten Commandments it doesnt matter it you ask for forgievness because those are the "laws"see it doesnt add up but supposedly "God" made us all in his own image and just the way he wanted to be so our freewill is still his doing according to the bible and he made us able to be persuaded by anything satanic or not so the Adam and Eve story it is all his fault we made our first sin and that his "son" had to die because of it..so since it doesnt make sense to follow it is contradictory towards life in general isnt it? so I dont think it is posible for "God" to burn his own "Children" so Hell is in a way proven to be imaginary..why would you punish someone for the flaws you put in them?? So if he created us then he created the part of us to believe or not to believe and what is right and what is wrong and the knowledge we are supposidly born with so its all contradictory...I appologize if I have offended anyone.

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  • ughhh

    Whoever created this topic I have one question. Why bring up a subject this simple, are you ignorant. I think so because "God" supposedly gave us free will. thats why no one is the same we can pick. Are you happy i saved you bunch of time

    Voted for by ryankooz.
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  • Now, I agree with Humanimal on

    count number two. All men even Christian folks, will eventually, even if unintentionally, steer you wrong. The Bible says within itself; It is "the Living Word", because it has different personal messages for each individual. So for example: Jesus said; Never look to man for the truth, for he will surely fail you. This has dozens of interpretations and they all are correct, for specific situations. For instance; aman who tells truth, but from Gods guidance, may be giving council(absolute truth).

    Voted for by frndofyaweh.
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  • Common Sense
    Me personally I'm bi-sexual and I'm a strong and passionate Catholic with a strong faith(maybe not the best but it's strong) I know people who are Gay. Now If God(The Father) molded his children to this point and they still like only guys then who are we and why are we to question The Fathers children and how they act. So lets get some insight: The Bible is basically prophets from God that have written his word. Now me I have a strong faith that alot of them are truthful but I also believe some wrote their own opinions in there and/or changed what God really ment to say for their own reasons, and since the bible was written AFTER the human race already sinned, and "conveniently" hate for homosexualtiy has been around for a long time..... HMMMMMMMMMMMMM, so 2+2=4 and cows quack and ducks mooo........Holy shnikes i think something is up!!! Common sense guys God loves us and I have a burning belief that He loves ALLLL his children no matter what their sexual point of view is. Wake up guys its a new world....
    Voted for by Franky-Frank.
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  • Hi
    When Adam sinned, we were no longer "God's children", but as the Bible refers to as simply as "God's offspring".

    Sin is a tree, homosexuality is a branch, the roots are in your heart. The branch is just a byproduct. It shows you ARE evil, and evil people go to hell.

    Repent, give your heart to Christ, and believe on the One who was sent to cleanse you of ALL sin and unrighteousness.
    Voted for by TeChNoWC.
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  • RIGHT, THAT'S IT!!!!!
    This is a quote from "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch page 40-42:

    NDW: Well, now we're getting into another area I wanted to discuss, and that's this whole business about Heaven and Hell. From what I'm gathering here, there's no such thing as Hell.

    GOD: There is Hell, but it is not what you think, and you do not experience for the reasons you have been given.

    NDW: What is Hell?

    GOD: It is the worst possible outcome of your choices, decisions and creations. It is the natural consequence of any thought which denies me, or says no to WHO YOU ARE in relationship to ME.
    It is the pain you suffer through wrong thinking. Yet even the term "wrong thinking" is a misnomer, because there is no such thing as that which is wrong.
    Hell is the opposite of joy. It is unfulfillment. It is knowing who and what you are, and failing to experience that. It is being less. That is Hell, and there is none greater for your soul.
    But Hell does not exist as this place you have fantasized, where you burn in everlasting fire, or exist in some state of everlasting torment. What purpose could I have in that?
    Even if I did hold the extraordinarily unGodly thought that you did not "deserve" Heaven, why would I have a need to seek some kind of revenge, or punishment, for your failing? Wouldn't it be a simple matter for me to just dispose of you? What vengeful part of me would require that I subject you to eternal suffering of a type and at a level beyond description?
    If you answer, the need for justice, would not a simple denial of communion with me in Heaven serve the ends of justice? Is the unending infliction of pain also be required?
    I tell you there is no such experience after death as you have constructed in your fear based theologies. Yet there is an experience of the soul so unhappy, so incomplete, so less than whole, so separated from God's greatest joy, that to your soul this would be hell. But I tell you I do not send you there, nor do I cause this experience to be visited upon you. You, yourself, create this experience, whenever and however you seperate your Self
    from your own highest thought about you. You, yourself, create the experience, whenever you deny your Self; whenever you reject WHO and WHAT YOU REALLY ARE.
    Yet given this experience is never eternal. It cannot be, for it is not my plan that you shall be separated from me forever and ever. Indeed, such an event, not only would you have to deny WHO YOU ARE-I would have to as well. This I will never do. And as long as one of us holds the truth about you, the truth you shall ultimately prevail.

    NDW: But if there is no hell, does that mean I can do what I want, act as I wish, commit any act, without fear of retribution?

    GOD: Is it fear that you need in order to be, do, and have what is intrinsically right? Must you be threatened in order to "be good"? And what is "being good"? Who gets to have the final say about that? Who sets the guidelines? Who makes the rules?
    I tell you this: You are your own rule maker. You set the guidelines. And you decide how well you have done; how well you are doing. For you are the who has decided WHO and WHAT YOU REALLY ARE-and WHO YOU WANT TO BE. And you are the only one who can assess how well you're doing.
    No one else will judge you ever, for why, and how could God judge God's own creation and call it bad? If I wanted you to be and do everything perfectly, I would have left you in the state of total perfection whence you came. Yhe whole point of the process was for you to discover yourself, create your self as you truly are-and as you wish to be. Yet you could not be that unless you also had a choice to be something else.
    Should I therefore punish you for making a choice that I myself have laid before you? If I did not want you to make the second choice, why would I create other than the first?
    This is a question you must ask yourself before you would assign me the role of a condeming God.
    The direct answer to your question is, yes, you may do as you wish without fear of retribution. It may serve you, however, to be aware of consequences.
    Consequences are results. Natural outcomes. These are not at all the same as retributions, or punishments. Outcomes are simply that. They are what results from the natural application of natural laws. They are that which occurs, quite predictably, as a consequence of what has occured.
    All physical life functions in accordance with natural laws. Once you remember these laws, and apply them, you have mastered life at the physical level.
    What seems like punishment to you-or what you would call evil, or bad luck-is nothing more than a natural law asserting itself.

    Voted for by wurzalgnu.
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  • If you want a suggestion...

    If you're going to concern yourself with anything having to do with Christianity, then look more towards what the Bible says, instead of what Christians and non-Christians say. ____________ I say that because there are two things I notice about your question. -1.) It's kind of giving all Christians credibility in actually knowing what the Bible says, which is not a good idea, AT ALL. -2.) It's betraying your your own lack of understanding of the concept of "sin", by various interpretations of it, flawed or seemingly otherwise.

    Voted for by humanimal.
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  • I'm sorry...
    This is partially on topic, but I need to respond to all of this.

    So, a lot of you are saying that 'God' is perfect, correct?

    Well, if he was the first being (which you all believe) didn't he ironically get to choose what "perfect" was?

    There is no set definition of "perfect", which is a reason I honestly pity those extremely close-minded of you whom are Christian; you are altering what could be a perfectly good soul to the will of one who is perfect just because he said so.
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