For ever christian out there, did you know that Jesus Christ never once in his life admitted to being the son of god, lord savior, christ, or anything! he never said he was the son of god, even tho his father had a dream that mary would have the son of god. isn't that something a dad would tell his son?? it wasn't until 100 years, 100 YEARS AFTER jesus's death that religious men started calling and titling him the son of god, our savior, christ!! is this man, who never admitted to be the son of god, really our son of god? and was this...good to know?
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I have come...31% Voted for by praise-reborn, Poetryality, Simply Divine, NeedsLNow, NeferMaatNetjer. (10 total)
I am here to tell you that Jesus Christ is not only the Son of God but when He lived on Earth, He was God himself tranformed to flesh so that man could bear witness and comprehend the heart of the Lord, which is LOVE.
He said; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16) The most commonly known scripture in the Bible.
The trinity explains in more detail God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Here are some Bible passages if you care to discover the TRUTH!
The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.
Hope this helps!
Renee
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Read much?21% Voted for by Embers of Elm, nonameusa, looking4realtruth, Jesusquest, Energizer Bunny. (7 total)
Huh...? Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. . Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. . Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: FOR HE SAID, I am the Son of God.
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This is not true!!!!15% Voted for by Misty Melody, acresofhope, Jesusquest, frndofyaweh, Energizer Bunny.
No, this is not true. It's probably something he heard someone else say and just accepted it without checking the evidence. If you are going to use the Bible as evidence, at least really use it. So here's the truth.
"Son of God" -- it is true that Jesus rarely calls himself by this title (John 5:25), although an open-minded person could see that Jesus is refering to himself as the Son of God in the parable of the tenants in Mark 12:1-12 (and the Pharisees understood it that way). Others did call Jesus by this title during his earthly life (not 100 years later): the heavenly voice at his baptism and transfiguration (Mark 1:11, 9:7), Peter (Matthew 16:16), John (John 20:31), and the centurian (Mark 15:39). Jesus did not rebuke anyone for calling him that, but praised both of them. Also, Jesus often refers to himself as the "Son" of God the Father, so even if he does not call himself by the title "Son of God," that is how he saw himself and how the Pharisees interpreted his teaching (see John 3:16-18, 5:16-47, 10:28-39). Jesus was not some rabbi going around teaching everyone to be good, or else He would not have been killed -- He was killed because Jesus was telling them that He was God in the flesh.
"Lord" -- Jesus refers to himself as "Lord" in Matthew 7:21-23, where he even claims to be the one who will decide who will enter into heaven at the final judgment (a clear claim to deity). In the first sermon after Pentecost, Peter quotes many Old Testament passages referring to the Lord and then explicitly calls Jesus the Lord (Acts 2:36). Other references to his usage or other's usage are in Matthew 8:25, Mark 11:3, Mark 12:35-37, Luke 5:8, Luke 6:46, Luke 11:1, Luke 12:41-42.
"Christ" -- Jesus calls himself the Christ in Luke 24:25-26, John 4:25-26. His claim to be the one who fulfillls Old Testament prophecy is a claim to be the Christ (Luke 18-21). From the very beginning of his ministry, others called him the Christ (John 1:41). Peter confessed Jesus as the Christ (Mark 8:29).
"Savior" -- Jesus refers to himself as the one who will save the world in John 3:16-18. In Luke 19:9-10, Jesus says that he "came to seek and to save what was lost." The Samaritan women confessed Jesus as Savior of the world in John 4:42. In Acts 4:2, Peter says that "salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Jesus claimed authority to forgive sins in Mark 2:5-8; the Pharisees knew that Jesus claimed by this to be God.
So there is some of the evidence. I commend this person for beginning a spiritual journey, and I urge him to go further in his research instead of just believing what he hears from me or from someone else. If someone wants to be serious about Jesus, he can't go around saying that Jesus was just a good teacher of a good ethical code. Jesus claimed to be God. Either he was the most evil megalomaniac in the history of the world, or he was God in the flesh who came to save us. Those are the only two choices.
Let's get serious. If Jesus is not God, then as a Christian I am a fool and my life has been worthless. Here's what is at stake: if Jesus is not who He claimed to be, then "our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are found to be false witnesses about God. . . . If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men." (1 Corinthians 15:12-19; many scholars think 1 Corinthians is the earliest New Testament document, so this is the opinion of the greatest pastor of the early church at the beginning of his ministry).
If someone wants to reject Jesus, that is his choice. But be clear about who you are rejecting. It's too serious to play games like this with Jesus. I would encourage this person to do some real research and look at both sides -- a great place to start would be with Lee Strobel's book The Case for Christ.
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I think he's referring to how the bible was written9% Voted for by Kevin, Gothic pixie, frndofyaweh.
And implying that his connections with god were added when it was written decently after his death.
My opinion is that it doesn't matter much whether it happened or not. It's a great story, and is inspiring to all those who believe, and belief makes them happy.
God is love anyways, so the details are extra credit...
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..Voted for by IiYiIiIzage.
"No, this is not true. It's probably something he heard someone else say and just accepted it without checking the evidence. If you are going to use the Bible as evidence, at least really use it. So here's the truth." ... Isnt that the same exact thing you did with the bible? How do you know it is true? To know is to be ignorant.
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Jesus did say, but not plainlyVoted for by Jesusquest.
One of the disciples, I think thomas asked Jesus to show everyone the father so people would believe, and Jesus said "Do you still not know me... He who has seen me, has seen the father" JESUS IS LORD
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Right then...Voted for by Battlecry.
Ok, I don't have much to say, but what do you mean he never called himself the christ!?
"they never started calling him that till 100 years later" is what you said... lets think about this for a second.
Wasn't he arrested, brutally beaten, cursed and laughed at, spat upon, abused sexually, and crucified for that very reason, because he believed himself to be the son of God? You make no sense! read the bible! If christ didn't himself say that he was the son of God, then they wouldn't have arrested him for that reason.
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Yes He DoesVoted for by SilverSuicide.
He might not come right out and say it,but he did call himself the Bread of Life and so on.I believe he was.
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Since whenDid we actually depend on "religious men" to make our determinations for us. The religious men that you speak of were basically politicing their way around governmental issues. The Christian movement was in effect long before it was ever sanctioned by those deemed worthy enough to be "religious leaders"Voted for by Violet Moodswing.
If history has taught us anything it is that we cannot depend on government sanctioned religions or the priest hoods they endorse. Jesus was tried and convicted of heresy for several things that, by the way, were actually charges brought against him by the religious leaders of the day. Rome could have cared less about his religious beliefs at the time. One of those charges was that he claimed to be the "Son of God" therefore committing heresy.
For a very long time after the crucifiction, Christians were an underground bunch of believers operating outside the realm of government sanctions. -
hmmmTo quote an above response: "But be clear about who you are rejecting. It's too serious to play games like this with Jesus."Voted for by strangeillusion.
I just, I can't even find the words to express what on earth you are thinking when you said this. I'm not Christian, but that's beside the point. Just as another human BEING reading this part of your response, I can't help but think...wow, way to FEAR another person into believing what you believe. *golf clap*
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it's 1 in the morning, and i didn't read the hole thing, but i just noticed, every single section of the bible was through someone elses eyes. << He said; "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16) The most commonly known scripture in the Bible. >> so how do you know that jesus said that...did you hear him? john said that he said it. The bible is like a chain of gossip...he said that he said this...did jesus ever write anything down about what he was teaching...with dates, and times, and people around him? is everyone we read about that trustful, or is it blind *cough "stupid" cough* faith. did jesus even know how to read and write? theres a question for the ages. If he didn't, why is it that a teacher now must have two years at college to teach us shit he's gotta look into a teachers guide book for anyway, but we're to base our lives, after lives, and how we live it on someone that probably didn't know how to read or write?...wow that makes senseNovember 16, 2005
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January 30, 2006
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RothMcVeReagan
You know, I might actually believe you but for one thing. I mean, it is not actually you saying any of this stuff on here. It is a computer program and a bunch of little signals that tell a monitor to place these runes that we call 'words' on the screen. I mean, if I could really believe it was you writing it, I might believe a little more of what you say. But as you (I think) have already justified, there is no way of knowing whether or not you actually wrote this stuff. I mean, it is possible you don't even know how to read or write I suppose and this is a bunch of things that some one else said that you said. Ah well, doesn't matter.February 14, 2006
Its different
ok Keyman I think its different. The fact Is John doesn't even say jesus said it. it is john conclusion or statement not jesus'. Jesus never mentions the trinity himself he does mention the holy spirit. jesus when question whether he is the son of god, only replies with 'you say that i am' or states quite specifically he is the son of man. Never he is the son of god.pnktrky
January 6, 2007
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February 15, 2006
returning abstract dreamers original point.
you quote lots of different points about the holy trinity elohim as plural as a case for the trinity and so forth ok pretty convincing arugument. But, the word us can arguably refer to 2 agreed in the case of the elohim it probably refers to more but it never says three you draw you own conclusions from that statement. Also quite specifically when god is quoted as speaking himself in the old testement he never mentions directly that he is 'split' into three. He does say in genesis that they have become like 'US' but no specific mention of his son. When he speaks to Moses directly he says 'I am who I am' again no mention of jesus. The other points you make. Are all written from the authors view never Jesus'. The whole subject is inconsistent, why is it that god speaks directly to Moses and Abraham, but when he is doing somthing so important as making himself incarnate he can only be bothered to send a lackey to Mary. or If jesus is just another aspect of god himself, why when he is on the cross does he say father forgive them not, I forgive. why does he say when preaching, 'there are many rooms in my fathers house', 'but he does specifically say we are all gods children, but most of all unless i missed it somewhere, Jesus never ever, ever mentions a holy trinity himself, that is always the conclusion of the authors, he does refer to the holy spirit, and refers to god as father but he never says that they are three aspects of the same thing.pnktrky
January 6, 2007
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January 9, 2007
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The Truth About Elohim and the Hebrew Language
Yes, Elohim is a plural noun, but not in the sense of three or more persons, just like the word adhoneh (meaning lord) is plural, but not meaning three or more persons. Otherwise, this would mean that Joshua, called adhoneh, would also be a Trinity. This is clearly not the case. Elohim and adhoneh are plural in the sense of great majesty. The Israelites never believed in a triad God. The Egyptians and Babylonians did, but the Israelites believed in one singular God, something completely different than the rest of the neighboring false gods.Not only is there no proof of a trinity, but as you said, Jesus and no other apostle made reference of such a belief. The trinity wasn't dreamed up until the 4th Century, when many other pagan idealogies were added to Christianity.
December 27, 2006
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Jesus Christ...
Jesus Christ was called their LORD and Saviour while he was on this earth. Many times in the bible, people cried out to him: "My LORD save me!" Or something along those lines. Even a day after his death and resurection, he was still being called LORD and Saviour. It wasn't 100 years after his death. It was a lot sooner than that! It was a least a day. (I'm not sure about specifics, but it WASN'T 100 years!)Anyway Jesus was and is still aknowledged as our LORD and Saviour.
IvoryRose
January 6, 2007
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