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If Judas hadn’t betrayed Jesus

If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus he would never have been able to redeem the sins of men. If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus, Jesus would not have set us free and fulfill his purpose on earth.

Christianity teaches that Judas was a figure of evil, yet it also teaches we should thank God for sending His son to be sacrificed for our good. But doesn't this seem to suggest God was acting THROUGH Judas? And if so, why is Judas so condemned?

Also, if God knew in advance that Judas was going to betray Jesus, this suggests the whole event was predetermined. So, contrary to the Bible, Judas couldn't have been acting through his own free will, but the will of God.

So why is Judas so condemned, if, after all, HE allowed mankind to be redeemed?


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    I think you guys are looking for something that isn't there. Whose to say that Jesus couldn't have saved us without having to die? Maybe the fact that Judas betrayed Jesus made Jesus's sacrifice so sudden and painful. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray doesn't make Judas's decision "the will of God". God is all knowing, right? Whose to say he can't see into the future at things that you will say and do? Just because Jesus knew that Judas would betray him doesn't mean Judas had no free will, it just means that Jesus could see into Judas's future, the choices Judas would freely make. I don't think it's too good to thank Judas for betrayal. Jesus never would have had to sacrafice himself otherwise, besides maybe he could have done more for us if he didn't have to be nailed to that cross.

    25%  Voted for by ElisaRose, green-eternity, ohsweetie2788, pnktrky.
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  • My Opinion

    God wasn't acting through Judas, but he know what Judas was going to do (brings up feel will) anyway, Satan was using Judas to get rid of his enemies kid... now on the whole Judas thing, he killed himself because he couldn't live with knowing he killed aninocent man, so is he condemd for betral, or saved because he repented, killing himself was the only way he thought he could...I don't think we'll ever know.

    12%  Voted for by -Forgoten-, beauty-of-neptune.
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  • betrayal was unnecessary

    Its true that Jesus' Death was part of Gods plan for the salvation of mankind, as was prophesied in the old testament, however Judas' part changed nothing. when the soldiers came to the garden of Gesamane to arrest Jesus, he asked them "whom do you seek', to which they answered "Jesus of Nazareth". Jesus replied "I am he" Jesus had identified himself to the soldiers! if Judas did nothing at all, the end result would have been the same. Judas, hoping for a greater reward from the Pharasees, had to do something to show that he was betraying Christ, but lacked the courage to openly denounce Christ in front of his followers, so he did the whole "traitors kiss" thing hoping to fool Christ's followers, but, in fact, he fooled no-one. Jesus was already onto his game, and had warned the other disciples. the reward Judas reaped was far less than he had hoped for. rather than honor him with praise, The Pharasees shunned and dispised him, for they saw what a cowardly turncoat he was. The disciples, too, hated Judas, for he had betrayed their master. All Judas had to show for his treason was 30 pieces of silver- and the distain of an entire nation! Judas hoped to set things right, by returning the money, but he could not undo what he had done. Lost and alone, Judas took his own life.

    Had Judas waited until the day after the sabbath, he would have seen Christ return, and would have had a chance to recieve God's forgiveness. Instead, he will face God's judgement and answer for his crimes. Woe to Judas Iscariot.

    12%  Voted for by NeferMaatNetjer, Simply Divine.
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  • It doesn't matter...

    Judas did, Jesus or at least God knew his son would be betrayed before he was sent upon the wings of a glorious seraphim. To this wretched reality.

    Voted for by Deindichter.
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  • Judas Didn't Betray Jesus

    The greek world for betray and to hand over are the same. I believe that Jesus told Judas to hand him over to the Pharisees. It makes sense to me. Jesus knew what would happen, he could have ran, or stopped it. Now, Jesus knew what he had to do, he just needed someone to help him without Jesus walking up the pharisees himself, that would seem arogant. But even if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter, Jesus knew he had to die to remove our sins. I also believe that Judas was condemmed because the 'God' of the Bible is a very selfish and malevolent being. The 'God' of the Bible must in someway enjoy condemming people, he does it a lot.

    Voted for by Drabarno Ruv.
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  • Yeshua and Judas

    I think Christ came as the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. He did not come to be sacrificed at the altar but for people to learn to make sacrifices internally, regarding their choices in life, for example - to curb their volatile and corrupt nature and make it humble and serene. Christ came to set us all free by making known to us the way to salvation, not that we become free by making a sacrifice of Him. We need to understand that we have sinned by crucifying Him. If God wanted to take the sins of the world away, God is so great and powerful that He would not require a human or animal sacrifice to achieve that, He would just forgive us our sins. Besides, God would not enact a justice in which an injustice was present for what kind of justice would that be, as every individual life is dear to God? So, neither God nor Christ was responsible in Christ's death. We crucified Him and sinned even more! Otherwise would you say that Christ would have deliberately died or put Himself to death if we hadn't crucified Him, to take away our sins? I don't think so! He was wickedly put to sleep. So much of what Christ said appears manipulated. And something that makes no sense at all, like Him dying on the cross for our sins, why would I believe it? As for Judas, he did something wrong and paid for it.

    Voted for by Beena.
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  • Its A Mystery

    And that's the problem with the Bible/religion. There's so many unanswerable questions. Yes, it's very possible that everything in the Bible has happened and we just cant comprehend the answers to the questions that we ask. But how are we supposed to know that everything in the Bible's true? Yes, you can just believe because it's what your parents told you, but if you were raised not knowing what religion was and someone just told you to believe? It's like a game of telephone.. The message starts out as one thing, but because of being translated by so many people it gets so distorted it can be nothing like the original message.

    Voted for by Midget Of Fury.
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  • An Atheist's Perspective

    If God knows all things, not only does he know all possible events, but he would also know which event would happen. God would have known that Judas would betray Jesus when he sent him into the world. In fact, if you consider the complete implications of omniscience, God would in fact know beforehand what he himself would do and would not have free will either. God actions would in fact be predestined, and thus God could not be omnipotent. Omnipotence and omniscience are contradictory properties.

    Furthermore, if God knew that Judas would betray Jesus and indeed was predestined to betray Jesus, then to punish Judas eternally for doing so would contradict the property of omnibenelovence. An all-good God would not eternally punish someone for doing something that they had no other choice but to do, especially when that act was so important in establishing the alleged salvific power of Jesus. And if you read the Bible, you will see that Jesus' death and resurrection is what grants him his salvific power. Paul puts great theological importance on this fact, and to argue that Jesus could have saved the human race another way would violate what the Bible argues was in fact necessary. Of course, the fact that there was no other way for God to save humankind than to kill his son, would also serve as a counterargument to God's omnipotence and omnibenelovence. But that is a debate for another day.

    Voted for by Raven King.
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  • The Gnostic view

    Contrary to the Christian view, in some Gnostic circles it was taught that Judas's act WAS for for the greater good, because of it's consequences of redeeming mankind.

    Voted for by ennoia.
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  • suicide

    judas was just an instrument in the events that took place with christ. he is condemned not for betrayal of christ, as ALL are forgiven for christ came to save mankind not condemn it. Judas however, commited suicide. He knew first hand of the truths of christ's message for he was a disciple and witnessed his miracles and decided to kill himslef knowing without a doubt that there is a god. and yes, it was predetermined as it was prophesized years before. you must remember that we were created for HIS purpose, to glorify him. hope that helps. ask if you have a question. god bless.

    Voted for by Joshua-Luke.
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  • Well, it happened.

    It happened. Nothing you can do. GOD chooses what he does because he knows what he is doing. The human mind is so closed that it couldn't surpass the things that GOD knows.

    Voted for by Carino.
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