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If no animals in nature save humans are homosexual, does that mean that homosexuality is

Can it be argued that homosexuality isn't natural because we're the only animals who do it? You don't see squirrels or dogs or anything doing it. Humans are the only animals that think cognitively and/or bend the rules of nature, where animals are pretty much programmed and instinctual when it comes to reproduction, right? Hell, humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure. Anyways, what I'm getting at is, since we are the only animals that can THINK and INNOVATE, and it is only because of those powers that we can go against nature's programming, is homosexuality therefore "unnatural?"


  • ummm....

    some animals are actually homosexual. one example is penguins. silo and his partner live in a zoo some where in the states only swim, mate and other such things with each other. look it up on the net, you will find it.

    oh, and at wikipedia there is a whole list of animals that include dogs, cats, dolphins, bison, and sheep

    28%  Voted for by Axelle Black, PureAmethyst, Drabarno Ruv, chaotic peace, Kazrith. (13 total)
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  • just a little note..

    Yeah, like the person above said, there are animals that are homosexual. "You don't see squirrels or dogs or anything doing it." Can you prove that? So many cases of homosexuality involving different species of animals have been recorded. You would be surprised. I guess you have to research your stuff before making assumptions. And therefore, if there are cases of homosexuality in the animal domain I personally believe that it was intended (depending on whether or not you believe in some sort of God). And if you actually do believe in God (and, yes, I really want to go that far) that would mean that we cannot prove he was against it if he went up to allowing animals to do so. I really strongly believe that the Church is the one that started all those theories of homosexuals-go-against-nature-and-are-evil-and-will-go-to-hell. But I'm going a little too deep here. But for my part, homosexuality is perfectly normal. If the world were constituted of 100 humans, 10 would be gay. Did you know that? Probably not.

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  • good topic, poorly researched.

    personaly i think it was a good topic to debate, however i really and trully believe that u need to get ur facts straight before just spouting off nonsense....for example i work with dogs, and we constantly have male dogs mountin other male dogs, female dogs mounting female dogs...yes in some cases it isnt sexual...purly territorial...but, some animals do participate in homosexual tendencies, as i said, good topic, maybe u could research ur debates some....

    13%  Voted for by eroticbrutality, sjrlink100, cosmosis, Cornilius, ExpensiveThinker. (6 total)
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  • Can you answer a few questions, Gobuggy? :)

    Good to hear you're back on the old homosexuality debates, Gobuggy. But please don't forget our little thread is still awaiting some of your delightfully rude antagonism! You know where I mean.

    Just a little statistical addage: when given the choice 8% of male rams consistantly mount other male rams, often engaging in intercourse. There's something going on, isn't there?

    How on earth can you claim we are the only animals that can 'THINK'? I'd like to see you prove that. Besides, if the behavior of these rams is consistent, I don't think they're believeing themselves to be there to make little baby rams, do you?

    You talk about 'going against natures programming". Unfortunately for this bit of argument, scientists have found there to be a variation in the chromosomes of a homosexual person compared to a heterosexual. So by suggesting homosexuality is unnatural, you are actually asking these people to go against 'god's' programming, so to speak.

    I'd be interested to hear the opinions of these many homosexual friends you claim to "love to death"... (forgive me, but by now I am quite worried about them...)

    Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?

    Seriously, though, I'd like some answers to the questions raised, whenever you can, I'd be interested to here your defence.

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  • uhm

    I have seen already several times a cow, trying to mate with another cow... obviously that doesn't work but uhm... isn't that a lesbian cow then? or is that something that doesn't count?

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  • hehe

    i had a female rabbit that tried to mate with every female cat she's come in contact with, i'd like to see the head explode off the person who started this when they see this one.

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  • one more thing...

    It's Been proven that there is one more type of animal that has sex for pleasure. Does anyone here no what that animal is? chances are no. It's one of the animals you or anyone would least expect, it happens to be that Dolphins have sex just for the pleasure and reproducing so yes there is one type of animal that has sex for pleasure.

    4%  Voted for by AmericanFailure0, cosmosis.
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  • Pack animals are bisexual
    Animals which are not pack animals are heterosexual, because they care about their own genes and are independent rather than mixing with other animals of their type, who they don't care about unless the other animal is on their territory or of the opposite sex and a good mating partner.
    Pack animals are bisexual. Especially in males, this is used to dominate other animals of the same sex and species. For example, a dog might have sex with another dog to show he is the leader of the pack and more dominant than the other dog. Females have cycles in which they are more likely to get pregnant in certain times of the month. This is true of human women, and even if a woman considers herself straight or gay, there will be differences between how masculine and feminine the people she likes are during her cycle. For example, a lesbian who is in her most fertile time of the month will find herself more drawn towards the 'butch' types of women and a straight woman who is not in her most fertile time will find more handsome, boy next door types handsome in comparison to the rugged guys she'd find attractive if she were in a more fertile time. This is done to help the pack cohere and stay as a pack.
    Humans are different to animals however. A big clue in the homo sapiens name (it means thinking man). We feel it's morally wrong to go round raping other members of our pack to show our 'dominance' over them (true in gay rape and straight rape), we don't need to have sex with someone to see them as a friend and not a potential enemy. Some of us aren't pack animals, as we have more need for independent thought and less need for the pack. Homosexuality, even as a singular thing rather than part of bisexuality, exists here because we have concepts of romance and lust. We search for love, a higher form of companionship, and who is to say that this higher form of companionship is more likely to be found in members of the opposite sex (who in most cases tend to be different from us) as opposed to members of the same sex (who most people can relate to more).
    Oh, and your argument is fairly invalid even if it was better researched. Humans are animals but our species-centric view and our position at the top of the food chain would suggest we are evolved from many animals. We also walk on two legs, are less hairy than animals and have bigger brains than many animals. These are adaptations we have used to our advantage.
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  • Excuse me?

    Dogs sometimes are homosexual. I have witnessed this myself.

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  • people aren't animals anymore

    maybe people should object to considering humans as on the same level as animals. I mean, we both share instincts, and we both so obviously came from monkeys or whatever. but maybe we're somewhere else now. After all it's not like there was one part of the cave for cave-girls, one for cave-guys, and one for gay cave-guys, you know?

    likewise there was no tribe of animal-sexing-cave-men.

    the truth is... homosexuality and homosexuality-accessories were invented with the word.

    also, arguing about whether it's natural or not is ridiculous because if it exists then it must be natural. even if you couldn't have thought of it, it's natural.

    Maybe humans go much, much further than animals in their reasoning. I mean, monkeys use physical tools, humans use immaterial tools, and maybe soon we'll have psychological tools. But what exactly is the difference between man and animal? Brains evolve - even grow - with every generation.

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  • YOUR REASONING IS WRONG

    MONKEES USE TOOLS SO THAY CAN INOVATE THAY ALSO USE WEAPONS.ALL ANMILS ARE SELF AWARE AS ANY PET ONER WILL TELL YOU. BUT TOYOUR BASIC QUESTION IS GAYNESS RIGHT YES BECAUSE I AM GAY AND I SAY IT IS AND WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS

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  • Animals don't have sexual orientations

    As stated many times above, many animals have sex (or attempt to) with an animal of the same gender. Here is my argument: Are they ignorant to what they're doing, or do they have a preference for the other gender? I'm no animal expert, but I bet it's the first. Generally speaking, an animal doesn't fall in love with another and spend the rest of the life with one another, that is human. This is the hole in the argument that because animals do it it's natural. Animals do it for territorial or psychological malfunctions, not out of a choice. Perhaps if you would agree that being gay is a territorial or psychological malfunction then your argument might hold more weight.

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  • Let's not forget

    Okay, first of all everyone really put in what they think and I think that this topic is really interesting, but now I am going to put in my two cents. We have to remember that animals do not have the cognitive and mental capacity that humans do. I am a firm believer that animals do not sexual lust or have phisical attraction - just that the strongest male is the one who gets to "get it on" but humans are not like that. we have created our own unique individuality and that comes with freedom of sexual orientation. animals cannot make this decision because they are animals and not us. just because animals aren't gay does not mean that homosexuality is wrong. it is simply different.

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