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PROVE that being gay is wrong...

is there any arguement other than "the bible says so"?

is there any LOGICAL arguement against them?

let me cover one of the more "popular" arguements right off the bat so we dont have to deal with it later: being gay is unnatural-----

"some animals are actually homosexual. one example is penguins. silo and his partner live in a zoo some where in the states only swim, mate and other such things with each other. look it up on the net, you will find it.

oh, and at wikipedia there is a whole list of animals that include dogs, cats, dolphins, bison, and sheep"¯ - Kazrith

"So many cases of homosexuality involving different species of animals have been recorded. You would be surprised. I guess you have to research your stuff before making assumptions. If the world were constituted of 100 humans, 10 would be gay. Did you know that? Probably not." - Axelle Black

"when given the choice 8% of male rams consistantly mount other male rams, often engaging in intercourse." - ennoia

--------------------------------------------- but let get even more specific... why is gay MARRIAGE wrong... even IF (and thats a big IF) being gay is wrong, why shouldn't we let them marry? their not forcing anyone to be gay.... and not letting them marry is not going to make them any less gay...


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  • It's against the way of nature
    Everything in nature exists based on the relationship between opposite beings of the same type of entity. The relationship between protons and electrons make atoms, the relationship between cations and anions make molecules, the relationship between stamen and pistol in plants produce new plants, the relationship between male and female animals create new life, the relationship between a man and a woman in marriage form a family.
    This is God's way, or He would not have made it this way. God's desire for human beings is for a man and woman to join in oneness and form a family.
    The way of nature shows that homosexuality is unnatural, whether you believe in God or not.
    10%  Voted for by OrangeMoon, jamsa.
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  • well
    well since so many ppl don't believe in the Bible i'll approach this differently.
    all over the world evolution is taught as a fact and what does evolution stand for, Survival of the fittest.
    it is a proven fact that gay ppl men and women have more health problems, live shorter lives than heterosexuals, especially those that don't sleep around.
    Gay ppl do not reproduce and infect our species with diseases, and that is why they shouldn't be allowed to exist in our world. Gay ppl are worse than "global warming" and yes other ppl have diseases too and straight ppl have health problems too but hey with an darwinistic mindset if they aren't fit enough to survive then they shouldn't exist.
    Voted for by HidetoT12.
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  • My Problem is not with Homosexaulity...
    its with the people who defend it. obviously its not normal. if it was natural then every human would have those feelings from birth, and if it was natural, then the human race would die out ( as homosexaul couples
    can't reproduce) but my main problem is with Homosexuality and Evolution. because if you believe Evolution (and that there is no God) then how do you explain Homosexuality? because its deffinately not a improvement in humans, as if all were homosexuals we would die out. so homosexuality really disproves evolution. which means that their has to be some "greater being"
    who created everything, and if their is then simply saying Homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so is actually a valid argument. If Their's a God.
    and if Evolution is disproved by homosexuality then it really only leaves the idea of a Greater Being. so if there is one, then its perfectly fine to say that homosexuality is wrong because of the Bible...
    now don't get me wrong, i have nothing against homosexuality, nor can i prove that it's wrong, but you cant prove that it ISN'T wrong either....
    Voted for by Revolutionary Cell.
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  • I Hate To Be Obvious But....
    Women have anatomy that will create children to assure the survival of the human race. Men have the compatable anatomy to make those children but ONLY with a woman, not another man...
    Voted for by Hellfione.
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  • The way it is.
    There's no evidence to prove that someone is born gay. For all we know it could just be a preference. But that raises a question: What is wrong with that? If it were considered "wrong" to love a blonde, and you loved a blonde, are you wrong? Gender is nothing more than a characteristic. It is the same as liking blue eyes more than brown. And, because its a characteristic, it is also easily looked over. Personally, I'm not overly fond of blondes, but my love is a natural blonde. I love her anyway. It doesn't matter. True love is being able to rise above petty things such as hair/eye color, annoying habits, GENDER. In my opinion, someone who loves the same sex (notice I said LOVE not LUST, anyone can lust) is obviously truly in love. They are driven by more than an animalistic urge to mate. They can rise above such a little thing. They love on a whole new level. Why else would anyone proclaim their love for someone when they knew it would make people hate them? Why would someone risk friends and family for that? Why would they endure the hate remarks from people who have no business caring? Why does it bother you? Why does it matter who loves who? Why can't people be happy in who they are? If you like hamburgers, I'm not going to scream at you that its wrong and unnatural because hamburger is a processed food. I'm going to just keep my nose out of your business. If you've ever experianced true love you'd know that you could love them NO MATTER WHAT. So please, stop saying my love is not as good as yours. Its easy for you to love. No one cares about you. You don't have to fight for it. You don't have to suffer because of it. You aren's hated and condemned in the name of "Natural love." Your love is easy. My love is hard, but its more worth it than you could EVER know. I'd suffer every day of my life for it. I'd die for it. Can you say that? If you think you can, prove it. Oh, wait, you can't - because I don't hate you for loving who you do. I'm happy for you. I wish you the best. All I ask in return is that you not say my love, for which I sacrifice all for, is worthless. It means more to me than the world. I'm a girl, and I love despite gender. I love a person - not a gender. If you must classify my love, it is same-sex at this time, but it is LOVE.
    Voted for by love.is.right.
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  • No matter what your reason is
    for gay marriage being wrong, it will always be questioned.
    That 'the bible says so' excuse can be considered incorrect. Who knows if God says it's wrong, let alone there actually being a God, or the bible being true.
    Society is wrong as well. People have their own opinion with whatever people have to say and do, so relying on one opinion society has to offer isn't going to get the exact truth... if there is one on gay marriage, or on anything, really.

    I think of it this way: no matter what you think about gay marriage, there are still going to be gay couples and gay relationships. And freaking out about it for it being wrong is none of anyones business. it's their lives for them to live, not yours.

    And maybe I am wrong in some elses eyes. But just because ones opinion is different than anothers, it doesnt mean that other person is wrong.
    Voted for by intangableenigma.
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  • HERE IS THE ARGUMENT YOU DELIBERATELY AVOIDED TO REFUTE
    First, here is the definition of abuse from anwers.com

    a·buse (?-byuz') pronunciation
    tr.v., a·bused, a·bus·ing, a·bus·es.

    1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse:


    Here is the logical argument against gays you deliberately avoided to refute.

    The argument:

    From a biological standpoint, every human being has reproductive organs. Reproductive organs are for reproducing. Therefore, every human being was designed to reproduce. It takes a relationship to reproduce, and the relationship for reproducing is heterosexuality. Human beings in that relationship are heterosexuals. Therefore, every human being was designed to be heterosexual.

    Since homosexual relationship cannot reproduce, it doesn't need reproductive organs.
    Logically, it therefore means that the intended relationship for a human being is heterosexual not homosexual.

    Since the designed relationship for human beings is heterosexuality, it stands to reason that homosexuality is abuse.

    Raving and renting aside, refute this argument.
    Voted for by likewhatitis100.
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  • LET REASON AND LOGIC EVALUATE RELATIONSHIPS

    Let reason and logic evaluate relationships, so we can see what the relationships will evaluate to.

    If a relationship evaluates to right, we should go by that.Like wise if a relationship evaluates to wrong or abuse we should accept it.
    Voted for by likewhatitis100.
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  • Natural law is that homosexuality is wrong
    One would need to be unaware of the difference between right and wrong in natural law to fail to comprehend that homosexuality is wrong....down is not up, dirt is not water, love is not hate, and fruit flies with deformed genes exhibit perverted sexual behavior like homosexuality.

    What does it mean to be wrong in natural law you might ask,and also what what natural law is? Weel sure Cicero wrote about it well and he wasn't a sissy (no sniggers please)...some thimngs in nature are right and others wrong he observed. Examples abound; yet I will stay on topic and point out that homosexuality isnb't the way to sexual reproduction...it is a wrong way to do that.

    A certain percentage of any populkation has people with abberant or defective genes and those are the ones committed to practice homosexuality. The Kinsey report claimed that 10% of humanity are thus wrong and bent toward homosexuality while other reports provide something like 4 to 6%. That number seems right for a natural selection of people with a genetic ingheritence bent taway from heterosexiuality. WHy is heterosexuality right...because its the natural law of the way humanity reproduces and has biologically clustered its social order.

    Homosexual socialization of political structures can have a very maladroit and destructive impact upon the natural rationality of heterosexual relations and efforts. When such subversive elements are driven far into the society the society that is naturally herterosexuality dissolves the society and creates a renormaliozed society. Homosexuality iws one of several debonding factors that will bring about the collapse of a civilization.

    One can argue with some Buddhists that no thing such as right or wrong exist. That disingenuous is predicated on the premise that pain an individual suffering has no reality either. The concept that no right or wrong exist is a tran-existence denial of the reality of anything existing. Homosexulas should not be persecuted of course, any individual should have equal social rights that need to be respected. It is also a fact that society should not redesign its social orders to promote abberant and defective although natural behavior . One day geneticists may provide answers about why humanity has been blighted with a percentage of genetic deformity causing homosexual conduct, but that day is far away, and for now the sufferers of that disease continue to actualize the wrongness of original sin manifested in themselves
    Voted for by GaryCGibson.
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  • Two sides...
    Physically speaking its wrong. Obviously male and female are the ones who are supposed to have sex with each other and be loving up on each other no question about it.

    Mentally speaking its up in the air. Some can say its right, some its wrong but there will never be a solid right or wrong when we are dealing with the mental.

    So now the question is does the mental override the physical or the physical override the mental?
    Obviously the mental is overriding the physical in gay people. Also equally obviously is the physical overriding the mental in a gay person.

    The gay person is stretching him/herself to be two different things which doesn't unite the person to be whole and at peace. You cannot be whole when the physical contradicts the mental or the mental contradicts the physical. The person who has this struggle is divided.

    We need to remember that we can always change our mental, but when it conflicts with the physical problems arise.
    Its almost like trying to fill your unleaded fueled car with disel.

    Well you decide but i'm not saying its right or wrong to be gay, just saying I feel there is something toxic about the whole ordeal.
    Voted for by dollar.
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