I believe in one god and I think that christianity is the right religion because it's a religion of love forgivness and faith beside it's the only religion that contenant miracles and I insiste on that
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MY OPINIONThere is no such thing as one correct religion. I have no religion, I am just conected to my Lord. I look to my inner being...intuition to guide me. That inner light that we all have but know very little of. In my opinion as I have stated before in other instances relating to religion, one cannot force ones own beliefs down other peoples throats! There is such a thing as free will and each one of us are free to believe whatever we wish to believe.20% Voted for by El Amor Soy Yo, snowraven, sweetypie101, buggirl, Kayden S. (12 total)
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The one and only way.15% Voted for by EternalEyes, Makessenseright, Everlasting-Fallout, Nomadic Prince, Christopher Chanco. (9 total)
I guess the only way to make this fair is to state it as an opinion, although I feel so strongly about it that I'd rather put it under fact. Christ is the one and only way, there are NO other gods. Serving anything but the one true God will bring destruction. Jesus himself said that you either serve the FATHER or you serve the WORLD and there is no in-between. So is this a slave trade, then? You may think so.
"God is the slave ruler and we are all his slaves, bought for a price and now we have to eternally do whatever he wants or we shall surely die..." that's not true! This is what I believe - God sent his son to die so we could be free! so he could see his children dance and play and live in harmony together! Established laws make this harmony possible, and if we accept Christ, Believe what he says about himself, and Confess that we have all sinned and are in need of a savior, we can be under his leadership for eternity.
Just picture it.
Harmony for eternity, Love for eternity, PEACE for eternity, constant fellowship and communion for ETERNITY! it's a big word, folks. E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y
I believe that Christ is the only way and any other way will lead to death, and we will be cast into the flames of hell. Don't be afraid though, God made a way out by sending his son. CHRIST is the way. If we truly have faith in him, we have nothing to worry about because our price has already been payed and hell is completely out of the picture. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you're going to go to heaven! Believe it!
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Shut your god damn mouth. You only think that because you were brought up Christian. I swear, if you idiots keep saying this I'll become a Buddhist. Rather than rag on all religions other than Christianity, I can simply choose to respect them all, and be at peace with Earth. -
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I was raised Christian, but not very faithful Christians. Plus there are many cases in which non-christians accept christ and believe this with all their heart.
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Although I respect your undivided zeal for your opposition and conquest for truth, I believe it unfair for you to say these things. As I said a year and a half ago, I was raised a Christian, yet hardly believing in it. But on another note, the question is what was the one correct religion. Coming in and saying I'm wrong with that repugnant tone is similar to saying I can't say anything that I believe firmly and unconditionally. If I answer the question my way, doesn't that mean I'm appealing to the request of the one with the query?
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Well we should be glad you atleast believe in something. That's a !!!START!!! But it appears that you still have much to learn. First Fallacy...You're putting too many labels on God, (oh excuse me "Christ"), making it sound like you can explain God like you can explain driving directions to someone. Maybe you need to understand that God and Christ and whatever you're striving to connect with might be better described as an "Understanding of Understanding". That's God, that's not You. You, me and everyone else are almost the opposite in starting from birth. (...Point continued in "Second Fallacy") Second Fallacy...You keep on emphasizing that you're way is the right way and it's the right way because it's the Only One Way (IGNORANCE). Now, You could very much be 100% correct. But please don't make it sound like you know that for a fact(IGNORANCE). You making yourself more ignorant like that. A person becomes ignorant when they believe what they think is a fact. That's what little kids do, why do you they cry get so much wrong and do so many things wrong(IGNORANCE). They lose their ignorance by gaining an understanding. They gain an understading through learning by being open to as much as possible. But as soon as they think that what they know is a fact, therefore "they know everything", they're right back to square one and will face many challenges because of their ignorance. The kids that become most succesful adults simply, Learn->Understand->Accept(faith/christ/God/whatever), over and over again. What you're doing is stopping at the end of one of your "Learning->Understanding->Accepting" cycles and saying, "Okay, That's it, I'm done...I've Learned about Christ, Understand Christ, and Accept Christ". I"m sure you did. But there's more buddy. More cycles. You're not done yet. Be open not ignorant or else you'll stay stuck at the end of a just one of many cycles and that's all you'll have, never giving yourself the chance to Learn, Understand and Accept the next cycle. ' And if you think established Laws are the answer to peace and harmony. You're worse off than I thought and need to close your mouth and open your ears for once. And also have the smallest amount of understanding about peace, harmony, God and so you can comprehend CHRIST CHRIST CHRIST, you know nothing about him!!! You can LOSE your IGNORANCE THROUGH LEARNING and GAIN PEACE THROUGH UNDERSTAND and HAVE HARMONY THROUGH ACCEPTANCE. -
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My my my... apparently you missed all of Jesus' teachings on spreading the word of the lord. You're not likely to convince anyone that christianity is the way to go with this little speil. there are some words of wisdom to be shared here... human beings tend to long for that which is worst for them: riches and everlasting life. to many religions this christian concept of "living forever" is the most horrifying and arrogant thing that a person could ever percieve. If there is one thing that will take you away from your pretty eternal salvation more than anything it is your extreme closemindedness. Here is a quote that might help you to understand life and religion a little better: "In the beginning, Creator put four peoples on the earth. He gave them each a continent and way to live. He placed the whites in Europe and gave them a way to pray. He placed the blacks in Africa and gave them a way to pray. He placed the reds in the Americas and gave them a way to pray. He placed the yellows in Asia and gave them a way to pray. He gave them animals and plants to help them live. And He gave them all Free Will . " maybe it would do you good to research the difference between spirituality and religion... and what the purpose of religion is. -
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Well, I purposely will despise your quote because in the beginning God create male and female in a single place called eden. Assuming that God created multiple races in the beginning would not only undermine the book of genesis and the whole reason why suffering is in this world (Adam disobeying God), it would mean that the other races would not have to suffer from the decision made from one of the races in a distant continent. Plus, if God really really did make all "four people" to have their own unique way of praying to him, why do they have erroneous inconsistencies with one another. With the believes of monotheism and polytheism. Even if your quote was accurate, it would mean that the "four" races already have extremely strayed from serving the God whom placed them there (by serving multiple Gods), and ultimately being wrong in that scenario. Now, if praying to multiple gods is a form of praying to a single god who made them, then it could start to make sense.
But, even though living forever is arrogant, I clearly do not believe it's with my own power that I deserve it. The Bible states that it's not by works we receive life. Close-mindedness is within the eye of the viewers, and if by professing an absolute, (weather correct or not) I'm instantly condemned and labeled to being close-minded, then I must be. Rather be labeled close-minded then become self-labeled liar.
Are you close-minded for not accepting the belief and strong bonds between an individual and his beliefs?
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I respect all religions. I open mindedly learn about other religions. My question is, why so rude??? I'm not ignorant - I'll explain, just keep reading and you'll see what I mean. I have learned a lot about God, his laws, his standards, his plan... etc... I've seen him working. I have no evidence of his existence, just things to back it up. For example, have you ever seen a woman with no arm get completely restored and have you ever watched that arm grow back on? I haven't either, but I know some very trustworthy people who have. I've seen healings for myself and other manifestations of God's spirit, such as holy laughter (uncontrollable laughter which is contagious and completely wierd but cool) tongues (this I deeply and strongly believe in because I've seen some convincing examples in myself... where some force (the power of the Holy Spirit) causes your tongue to move in crazy ways, pronouncing truth in other languages, and even slaying in the spirit (where someone is completely overwhelmed by the power of God... often making astronomical movements or noises such as and not limited to flying halfway across a sanctuary because the force of God's power literally tossed him to the other side of the room. these things have "convicted" me of what is true. I accept it as fact, because I am so sure of it. I'm so sure of it because I've been a witness to it. However, I am not completely excluding everyone's opinions. If I were, I would have no point of being on this site. I came here not only to share, but also to learn. As well, others have no reason to believe what I am saying, and I am not even requiring them to. I wish they could see it for themselves, that's all. Next time, can you reply in a more civilized way, instead of cursing at me and condemning my opinions? -
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Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Don't let the "wise" rattle you with their uninformed opinions. The people who think they are wise really annoy those of us that are.
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I'm more than happy letting you believe that but...
Why would god care if you were worshiping his son if you are already a genuinely good person. Please think about it? -
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What is good?
Tell me? What is good? That you regularly do what you yourself believe is good? That you haven't murdered, lied, spoken harshly, hated another, etc..?
But whose standards are we going by? Because is simply believing that you are a genuinely good person doesn't mean you are a good person compared to possibly a Bhuddist monk? But the thing is, God's standards are significantly higher. He, assuming he is a perfect and all knowing God, says that everything that barely strays from the righteous path is a sin that ultimately poisons your soul unacceptable and unworthy to even look upon heaven.
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,..."
Titus 3:5 "he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,..."
You questions are probably better answered here...
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html
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I may or may not be hypocritical of myself during all of this...i just try to see both sides of the issues that i state below...enjoy:
I believe that God knows your heart...but look at this example: say you make a mistake( because we are not perfectly sinless beings) a few moments b4 judgment day, then you go to hell b/c you didn't have the chance to repent right? (If this is true then it would suck...) however like i said, i believe God knows your heart--of course he made us. In this instance, maybe we'd be fine to go t o heaven... Jumping back to the side we began on, the bible states that you must repent for your sins or else...sadly, this horrible situation that couldn't be fully explained by me.....just something to think about people....
There are so many translations and that is why certain people are skeptical about christianity. A lot of christians are so judgmental of others and yet the bible speaks of God as being the only judge. This turns people away from christianity AGAIN, leaving them confused. The truth can be only told by God...period...whether we believe it to be after we leave this earth, or whether you believe it to believe it to be in the bible. I just wish there was a way to see, CLEAR AS DAY, what the absolute truth is....people get mad at other people's translations but think about this--who's to say you are both aren't right, or wrong for that matter? God's mind is so beyond our way of thinking so we have to go by the bible and take it for what it is....and not turn it into what we want it to be....
Homosexuality is a sin yes, but does that mean that you should treat them badly b/c of it? God teaches LOVE, in fact, God is love!!! Is it or is it not God's battle? They are people just like us but they just have different preferences. I can't imagine treating someone badly. I try to treat people how i want to be treated....Leave it up to God people.....he has all of the answers....in him you cannot go wrong.... -
I refuse to believe...
... that any one religion has it right. There is no possible way that one religion has EVERYTHING about the supernatural ruler right, especially since there are so many religions in the world who claim that THEY are the correct one.
What if every (most) religions are worshipping the same God, and between them all they have the right knowlegde, but on average, eash individual religion has it horribly wrong?
I believe that IF THERE IS a god...
(I don't believe in a single entity who created the world, but I do believe in a spiritual world of sorts - another dimension to our universe where "forces" and "beings" of another kind exist and occasionally intereact with ours)
...the god would not view one religion as correct, or more correct than others. What if Jesus never existed as the Bible and modern Christianity portrays him? Christianity may have other bits right, but in that one thing they may be absolutely worng. -
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Wait, What your saying is that if there is a compilation of statements and stories, there is a chance some of them might be correct. Which is a chance in every book and every government with laws. But that means, that the value of the facts within a book that has facts is dependent upon the beholders understanding. Which means that the whole book has no nominal meaning above any other literary work. Which means that the whole book is worthless if only variably correct, or the whole book is useful if the facts aren't determined by the beholder.
What your saying is, no doctrine is steady within any religion. A Book only has worth if you can take the whole book for truth. I'm not saying that you should believe everything in every book, but you shouldn't separate fact from fiction within a single book.
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A few flaws in christian religion....
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It's a religion basically powered by fear and to an extent, brainwashing... You are tought that if you don't worship god you go to hell.... if don't believe in god you go to hell.... if you sin you go to hell.... If god is so good then why does he threaten with hell.... and don't pull that people go to hell because he gave us free will because he wanted to test our faith or he gave us favor....
It seems the reasoning for all the evils in the world is given to god has a plan and free will....
The christian god is an malevolent, self centered, uber dictator.... He's a cult leader who's main objective is to gain followers to be worshipped....
For those who wish to know why I would think such a thing.... Let me brake it down for you....
We'll start with a few basics.... God is all knowing? Bible says so.... God is all powerful? The bible says so.... God created everything? The bible says so.... God granted man free will? Do I realy have to say it....
Now that we established that... Let me run this by you now that I've stated the obvious 'truths'.... God intentionally sends us to hell for what we do.... I essence god is literaly saying that you are going to hell....
No that I have added my own truth to the mix let me break it down further.... Now... Applying the truths that we know; like death, disease, murder, drugs, and the other evils in the world.... Knowing that god was all powerful that means he made death and murder.... He mades horrible things happen....
Now you may say that god didn't create them we did when he gave us free will.... Absorb this.... God, being all knowing, knew exactly what would happen when he created man.... People may say that God put the forbidden fruit in eden to temp adam and eve.... Well applying a christian truth then god knew that eve would eat the fruit.... He knew because he was all knowing.... Hell he even knew in that monemnt of creating free willl that i would be writing this arguement.... But because he's a dictator he needs opposition to increase faith in the believers.... He needs to scare those that do belive with sending people who dont to hell... And he already knows who they are.... Now if you want to bring out the whole free will speach at any point after this then you are admitting that god is a sadistic freak who gets a weird form of morbid entertainment while watching our every day lives....
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You're whole Mesiah thing with jesus is flawed.... Jesus was a pagan deity born onto earth.... Every christian holiday has been rooted in a pagan holiday... all of the traditions are paga.... what the hell do easter bunnies and painted eggs hhave to do with jesus.... Aparently to go with jesus's godly power his bunny was given the ability to lay gay looking eggs... Pardon the expression.... The whole religion of christianity is based on our sun god that was reborn on earth through the incarnation of our godess (the virgin marry) The entire pagan and modern calendar was revolved around the life and rebirth of the god....
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Christianity is so full of contradictions in the bible that you can't base any faith in it.... One book it says don't kill.... Then in another book it tells you you can't kill, except, if they're a witch you had to kill them.... It says jesus died for our sins.... Then it says if you deny god you go to hell.... And on top of all this you want me to rely on a book written by men... and don't give me that whole it's inspired by god arguement.... It is still written by man and because of your precious free will they could write anything they wanted... You don't realy know if what was written is what god wanted to be said....
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The first lie:
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
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first of... stop blaming christianity becaus of the christians... like you said they are human and naturally dont do good all the time. second of... anybody who has a couple of braincells can read the bible... realize how old testament = jew and new testament = christian fullfillment of the old testament and the beginig of the new covenent (pact with God)... so please dont get them confused although they may be similar you have to know the old testament to read christianity in the new light that it was. third of... if anybody had any brains at all you would read the quotes that jesus himself said and base your life around that.
now my explaination. those that say if you dont believe you go to heaven arent christians period. he came not to cundamn but to save.
oh by the way all the the christain festival where made on pagan holidays so that ex pagan christians would make the transfer a lot easier... nothing to do what so ever with jesus but with the church iteslf at that time... dont blame christianity for what the christians have done.
simply put if you do read the quotes in the bible of jesus you will come to realize two things. 1: all he ever said was love. love in anyway and everyway possible. 2: he believed in other religions and he doesnt even care what your religion is... i can never find exactly where it is in the bible but jesus says... "whoever follows my commandments is my brother" and if you can remember correctly only mentions two commandmenst:
matt 22 37 and matt 22 39
"he said to him, 'You shall love the lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all of your mind."
"the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
by the way these comandments already existed but to the jews a neighbor was any other jew... while jesus instead meant it about all.
if you read careflully you would realize that it doesnt matter what your religion or beliefs are as long as you put God first and be a good person you are a brother to christ.
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First, I do not know why you are so spiteful. Second, thanks for answering some of my questions for me, so I can continue to justify them faster =P
Now, what interests me is that you took so much time, but it appears as though you took information with the sole purpose of closing the bible, but every questions you have brought up is answered in the bible. Because, believe it or not, your reply was close-minded (man, I love this word after saying it so many times =P).
(Your reply)
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It's a religion basically powered by fear and to an extent, brainwashing... You are taught that if you don't worship God you go to hell.... if don't believe in God you go to hell.... if you sin you go to hell.... If god is so good then why does he threaten with hell.... and don't pull that people go to hell because he gave us free will because he wanted to test our faith or he gave us favor....
It seems the reasoning for all the evils in the world is given to god has a plan and free will....
The christian god is an malevolent, self centered, uber dictator.... He's a cult leader who's main objective is to gain followers to be worshipped...."
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First, the Bible doesn't say that worshiping God will stop your damnation to Hell. And that disbelief in God ALSO isn't a cause of being sent to Hell. In fact, (James 2:19) "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.". Even believing in God doesn't cause someone to be in Heaven, as demons also know that, and will ultimately be sent to Hell as well. But your sin talk is more reasonable. As Romans 6:23 says, "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal Life in Jesus Christ our Lord."
Why can't I say that it's because of the sinful choices we made as sinful creatures by our free will that causes the suffering in this world? How many children are you sponsoring in 3rd world countries?
And if you even read the Bible, you would know that God doesn't need us. And that he created us for the sole purpose of love, not damnation which is the price he has to pay. If you were the only God in existence and your absolute omnipotence and sacrifice for the people you've created, you not only desire the praise, you DESERVE it. So why do you condemn a God only asking for what he deserve (that is assuming he exists).
I will continue to answer your questions.
"For those who wish to know why I would think such a thing.... Let me brake it down for you....
We'll start with a few basics.... God is all knowing? Bible says so.... God is all powerful? The bible says so.... God created everything? The bible says so.... God granted man free will? Do I realy have to say it....
Now that we established that... Let me run this by you now that I've stated the obvious 'truths'.... God intentionally sends us to hell for what we do.... I essence god is literaly saying that you are going to hell....
No that I have added my own truth to the mix let me break it down further.... Now... Applying the truths that we know; like death, disease, murder, drugs, and the other evils in the world.... Knowing that god was all powerful that means he made death and murder.... He mades horrible things happen...."
Your statements started our right, but your irrational conclusions and interpretations veered way off course. Now using your logic, by what authority can you say that "death", "disease", "murder", "drugs", and "other evils of this world" are even evil? by what authority can you say that death (a process that prevents overpopulation and starvation) is evil? Disease? Drugs (a form of pleasure) is evil? Etcetera. You can no authority to say that. Neither do I have authority to say my last statement. But this whole thing can be refuted with one simple passage from the Bible you condemn so frivolously. Jesus was walking with his disciples when they came upon a man crippled from birth. The Disciples asked, "Teacher who has sinned to cause this man to be crippled? The mother or the Child?". Jesus Replied, "None have, but that the Glory of God may be shone through it." It was then Jesus picked him up, and he was given strength to walk. (Paraphrase from John 9:1-3) In that passage alone, we learn it's not from individual sin that causes terrible pain that isn't the direct choice of the mother or child, but the whole world's abominations that causes the destruction upon itself. That means the pain that we are going through is only a small tempering from the true destruction we deserve (hell). What this means is The earth suffers because of sin, but the glory of God can shine through that when his power overcomes that pain. Which is the point of Christianity. More people have come to him through "Compassion International" (A Christian children sponsoring group) because ini the weakened state they were able to see the destruction of sin more. Yes God allows sufferng on this earth, but listen, would you seriously repent and change your evil ways if you never suffered afterwards? The suffering is not only a punishment, it's a watered down version of Hell, so we can make the choice to correct it BEFORE we have to truly feel what we deserve.
So I have to say "YES" you are correct that God is in complete control and it's his full choice of the suffering he allows. But it's wrong for you to believe that we don't deserve this suffering. But it's not to kill, it's like bring life into the souls of the people who have strayed from them. It's like training for a marathon.
"Now you may say that god didn't create them we did when he gave us free will.... Absorb this.... God, being all knowing, knew exactly what would happen when he created man.... People may say that God put the forbidden fruit in eden to temp adam and eve.... Well applying a christian truth then god knew that eve would eat the fruit.... He knew because he was all knowing.... Hell he even knew in that monemnt of creating free willl that i would be writing this arguement.... But because he's a dictator he needs opposition to increase faith in the believers.... He needs to scare those that do belive with sending people who dont to hell... And he already knows who they are.... Now if you want to bring out the whole free will speach at any point after this then you are admitting that god is a sadistic freak who gets a weird form of morbid entertainment while watching our every day lives...."
Your theories are inconsistent. First you say everything is controlled by him then you fly off and say that he is evil for giving the choice. God made man in his image (genesis). And loves every human dearly (John 3:16). But it's because of sin that corrupts the individuals that he has NO CHOICE but to condemn. Yes, he is all powerful, and in sense "do whatever he wants", and thus save those who don't accept him. But that means he would be going against his very nature. So he just won't. It's like bringing a muddy bison into your immaculate home. You argument "but because he is a dictator, he needs opposition" doesn't make sense.If God made Adam and Eve to glorify him and to love them, their worth and value is much more appreciated if they have a choice between God and the world's pleasures. But saying that he receives pleasure from the fact they rebel, and ultimately causing the pain we now experience is wrong. God doesn't enjoy it, but it's those who glorify him within this consuming darkness that that gives him pleasure through the pain. Didn't you read the salvation story?
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You're whole Mesiah thing with jesus is flawed.... Jesus was a pagan deity born onto earth.... Every christian holiday has been rooted in a pagan holiday... all of the traditions are paga.... what the hell do easter bunnies and painted eggs hhave to do with jesus.... Aparently to go with jesus's godly power his bunny was given the ability to lay gay looking eggs... Pardon the expression.... The whole religion of christianity is based on our sun god that was reborn on earth through the incarnation of our godess (the virgin marry) The entire pagan and modern calendar was revolved around the life and rebirth of the god....
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Christianity is so full of contradictions in the bible that you can't base any faith in it.... One book it says don't kill.... Then in another book it tells you you can't kill, except, if they're a witch you had to kill them.... It says jesus died for our sins.... Then it says if you deny god you go to hell.... And on top of all this you want me to rely on a book written by men... and don't give me that whole it's inspired by god arguement.... It is still written by man and because of your precious free will they could write anything they wanted... You don't realy know if what was written is what god wanted to be said...."
Your argument is annoying, but I'll still try to explain. The church replaced pagan holidays with their own.
First you damn the bible for being one sided towards God, now you damn it for giving exceptions to their own rules? Instead of contradicting itself, it's weighting itself so that no one goes to any extreme. It creates boundary lines that people must be within. And now you have the asinine audacity to tell me it's wrong to have corporeal punishment, after all you said about all the pain in the world? Let me explain. God doesn't condemn free will, but the bad choices made from free will. But then people say "it's not free will then". But it is. You still had the choice to pick who you would follow regardless of the consequences. In a sense, You can pay now (abstain from sin), and play later (get pleasure). Or you can play now (sin), and pay later (face judgment).
Anyways, Jesus dying for our sins. Yes, he dies FOR our sins, but it's OUT choice to accept the cleansing from our sins. He died for us, but if we deny that, then we deny the gift. If you read John 3:16 (the whole thing), then you'd know that only those whom believe in him don't perish.
And by the way, when someone writes something God tell them, free will isn't an issue. Because they write what was inspired in them. Moses wrote everything letter by letter, so in essence, he didn't know what he was writing. And God specifically chose the notes that Paul wrote into the Bible. SO to your argument, I could say "yes". if someone was inspired by God to write something, they could choose not to, but then it wouldn't be put into the bible at all =\. Meaning that what was written by men, had to go through god's filter first before it reaches the bible.
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I love the reactions.... And think.... If we had boldly stated anything else without ever needing to question validity, you may have people who agree and people who disagree, but you never see the amount of opposition towards one's veracity as you do for such posts as this. Maybe it has something to do with it's truth exuding nature.
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all of them(in a way)13% Voted for by suran setsume, BlueWitch, shlynch, Kevin, Christopher Chanco. (8 total)
If you look at it all religions are in a way right, but not completely correct. All religions repeat parts of other religions in their belifes. they are just distorted versions of one religion from the past, corroded over time. they are as christianity and baptist alike except in small areas. because of the gap in time for the corrosion the change is no longer slite, but the resembalance shows.
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I feel I must elaborate on your point a bit (or perhaps I didn't interpret what you were saying in the way that you meant it). What I believe you are saying is that all religions are just as correct as anyother, and just as corrupt as any other. I agree with this completely, but I also think there is no one correct religion, because different people look for different things in a religion and no one religion offers everything every person wants. A religion, to some people, is something to commit their lives to and give them purpose. To others, their religion is what brings their family together, or what helps them to relax and feel safe. Therefore, how "right" a religion is depends, I believe, on the person looking at it. Hope I didn't alter your point any, Blue -
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The evolution of religion can be viewed from an inner and outer persrective. The liberty to question inherited beliefs produces a transformation of religious identity from the mass to the individual. The concept of one true religion is as simple as it is profound. Its identity always was, is and will be expressed by the personal freedom to explore a common and inexhaustible source of wonder. -
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All are right but not completely correct? It would depend on the definition adopted. The only definition that truly includes members who claim to be buddhist yet don't believe in a supreme being, and the other main religions in the world, would have to be regarded as 'ultimate concern'. In that respect. We all have an ultimate concern, and yes, you 'could' (philosophically) be right to say that they are all equally valid purely on the merits that we cannot weigh one persons experience against another. I emphasise could, because I disagree on 2 counts with the idea that it is actually the case. Firstly. We can hopefully all agree that it is atleast possible that the Christian God exists, if not, and it is irrelevant to this point of my argument whether it is CHristian or not, can we agree that it is possible that one God exists - in an aristotleian idea we could call him an 'unmoved mover'. Something that precedes everything and that is responsible for everything moving. Given this possibility, and that generally religions seem to offer a philosophy about how to live life in harmony with purpose (which would presumably be revealed in part during creation, by the intent of the creator), then IF this singular unmoved mover does exist, then we are wrong to say that if I think purpose to to do one thing, and someone else says purpose is to do an incompatible thing, then we cannot
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March 14, 2006
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Why the caps?
I'm aware what you said is not particularly aggressive and I actually agree with lots of it. But I'm not actually commenting on the subject matter. I'm posting to say that using caps lock actually undermines your argument. No-one wants to read what they think is a rant, and caps lock makes it look like you're shouting.March 14, 2006
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hmmm
It's quite interesting that you should pay so much attention to my writing style than the subject matter at hand very interesting indeed. I do not make a habit of explaining myself but perhaps on this one occasion i shall make an exception. I felt to write my response in caps at that particular time, it had no aggresive connotations to it at all, if people choose to interpret it that way so be it. When i give my opinion on something i do so knowing fully well that others may not agree with what i feel or say. but for someone to put so much meaning into the fact that i used capital letters in my responses i find it to be quite...amusing indeed. Besides you stated nobody would want to read a rant or anything of the like i would have to differ and point out that you did, did you not?March 19, 2006
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Peace be with you
I respect your opinion, but who ever said anything about forcing beliefs down other people's throats. the subject is about the one correct religion. in response to your opinions, and with great respect, we are free to believe whatever we wish. i accept that. but the issue here is what is the correct belief. if you can accept that there is something called objective rationality, you'll understand that life is not about individuals following some 'inner feeling'. any one can use the excuse of "it felt right, because my inner being told me so" to get themselves out of wrongful acts. what feels right is different from what IS right. truth is saying that a square has four sides. there is no room for what you meely believe here, unless that belief IS BASED ON the objective truth that a square does indeed have four sides. if you believe in God (as I do), I expect that belief to be based on some level of rational thinking, because rationality derives from the basic objective things that people, not matter what your personal belief agree with. so i must say on an objective rational basis that there is one god and thus one truth. apart from truth there is only falsehood. "There is no comulsion in religion. Truth is distinct from error". Thanks for the time. Peace be with you.March 20, 2006
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I too respect your point of view, I respect most peoples point of view, we all see things differently and we may agree to disagree.First off, I was not stating that the creator of this debate was pushing his or her beliefs down other peoples throats. I was simply referring to those religious fanatics who tend to wave their fingers at others or those who tsk tsk at people who choose not to embrace their own radical or irrational beliefs
When I spoke of my inner intuition and my connection to My Lord that was purely subjective, it is my opinion, if you or others do not agree with this that is ok too.
I do accept that there is such a thing as objective rationale , but in this instance it is not a factor
I will reiterate my point, there is no one true religion, besides religion is a man made ideology there is no such thing as one true religion, this is not a mathematical equation or even a question of logic, it's really not.
Now if you were to ask me is there one true God? that would be a different story all together, then I would have to answer yes there is only one true God.
Thanks for your time , this has been most refreshing, peace and love to you and yours.
April 28, 2006
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pnktrky
October 30, 2006
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almost
in the end he who is good shall get his reward. and if you give love to everyone you wont have to worry about anything... thats right even a aetheist can recieve heaven if the live a life full of love towards everybody. and when i say love i mean agape which means uncondtional and unmotivated love, somthing that you can give to everyone. so there. ironic though.January 5, 2007
A PRIEST I KNOW DOESNT EVEN SAY THAT
There is no such thing as a correct religion, first of all they were all man made due to logical decisions from ignorant people at the time of when gods were being created for the blame of mysterious things. And every other religion will say they are correct, you are just one of those who think they are superior to the others. have respect for other religions too, and dont just say they are all wrong and you are right. man, I asked a priest if he thought that christianity was correct and he said there is no such thing as a correct religion. I of corse already knew that, but i wanted to see if a priest himself would think he was superior.mcsupajon
January 27, 2007
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Calm Down... Please
I'm not the one who wrote this but even I can tell s/he was very careful not to make ANYONE superior... in fact wasn't that their point?March 10
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where is the logic.....
Tell from where do you draw your conclusions and what is more, please tell where in the hell did you get this nonsense that people who do not believe in one correct religion are trying to be superior to others? Just plain ridiculous.You my dear as most who have left responses on my opinion have totally gone completely off subject. So here let me straighten you out...Personally speaking, I do not believe myself to be above anyone. I am but an observer in this what we call life. I watch, listen and learn.
I will reiterate all that I have said before. I have respect for most people, however I do not respect those who tend to lord it over others and condemn those who do not form part of their little glee club. The God I serve is neither evil or vengeful, therefore it is unfortunate and should be considered a sin that he'd be portrayed in such an unkind and unfavorable light.
mcsupajon
January 27, 2007
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Religion is stupid! let me explain. If god existed why would he care if we followed moses jesus or mahammad? If it was because we didn't get the point the last time wouldn't he send another prophet to tell us we just need to be good not how we are good?September 11, 2007
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March 2, 2007
free will
God sent Jesus to save us. His job wasn't to teach. We out of a free will will either decided weather we can look at Jesus's life and the eyewitnessed accounts of thousands of people who actually did see him do miracles, or we can continue going in our lives of sin.And God gave us a free will for a reason. Say if you were God, and you wan't people to praise you. Would you make creatures with automatic responses to say "praise the Lord", or would you like the satisfaction of creating something you loved soo dearly, you would die for it, and give it the choice wheather or not it will believe you. If they do follow you, you receive a much greater blessing than an automatic response. And because everyone has a choice, You would feel better for every person that decided to follow you, but if you were to make an infinite amount of creatures who just praised you because that was how they are programmed, then what satisfaction is that? You made an infinite amount of creatures is probally the only satisfaction.
Plus you can belive in "nothing", but you become like the God you serve (a very wise chinese prover
Besides there is too much scientific evidence against "no religeon" take thease few examples...
Order, the whole universe is in order. To the bias untrained eye, you will think there isn't, but it is true. The sun is the perfect distance from the galaxtal center, the sun isn't in a binary system, The gas planets are far away from the sun, not close, the sun's orbit is parallel to the galactic plane, gravity is in the only equation in witch it will work to sustain order, the sun is one of the most stable stars in the galaxie, the sun is the right size and tempurature to sustain life, The earth's atomosphere is able to regenerate itself, Lighting turns nitrogen in the air into fertilizers, and makes it rain down on the landscape, The earth spins at the right speed to allow equal distribution of the sun's energy, The earth's angle is perfect to allow perfect distribution of seasons, The moon is the perfect distance to have tidal waves, but small enough tidal waves so they don't kill all marine life, The moon is perfectly aligned so that it can cause a total solar eclipse, It is the right size and distance to just be off by half a degree to hiding the sun's corona. Sense the moon moves away slowly, it would probally be at the exact right place a few thousand years ago =P
I will stop here, but I really hope that you will be able to come to know God someday by putting down your selfish desires. Because Evolution is impossible (if you believe in evolution), and the hippies idea of our existance isn't that great either, "we are not really here, we just think we are" pfft.
The only religeoun I found that is scientifically acurate is Christianity..
1) It says the earth is a sphere (Most people a long tiem ago believed the earth was flat)
2) It says the earth "floats" in space (A lot of religeons believe the it rides on great turtles, or any other form of artificial stability)
3) It talks about large creature that are way to similar to dinosaurs in order for them to just be made up. (Some of witch are way to similar to a pleaceosaurus, I think that's how you spell it's name)
4) It says the stars are moving away (God asked Job if he could hold the belt of the stars together, but Job didn't know what the heck God was talking about because the whole world didn't know that the stars were moving apart)
5) It says the ocean floor wasn't flat, and that there are hot water vents in it.
But i've decided not to continue, I just wanted to plant a seed in you and hope that you won't be "willingly ignorant" (2 Peter 3), or that I won't have to leave you in a life of sin. But I hope you will search for truth, and if you search for God, you will find him.
pnktrky
January 24
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March 2, 2007
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I know, it's arrogant to say your "a way to heaven", but to say "the only way to heaven" would be considered narrow mindedness. But it would only make sense to say if you are the only way in heaven if you ARE the only way to heaven.Jesus truely believed he was the only way to heaven, And he wouldn't lie just so he would be killed. And he was certainly not "montally ill" because he shows absolutely no signs of it if you read the bible. The guy was a teacher/healer/redeemer. You can't teach people if you are not mentally stable, and actually be right. (Most mentally unstable leaders have very weird philosophies) He healed people and was witnessed to heal people in front of thousands. Certainly enough people to correct the records of jesus if it was wrong when it was written about 2 years after he ascended into heaven. And It would be arrogance to forgive people for something wrong they did to other people. Like if someone stole something from you, and someone walks up to the person who stole stuff from you and said "I forgive you". That would be nonsense. it would be dumb. But if Jesus really did believe was was the Song of God and God, then he would have the right to firgive someone else's transgressions.
~God bless
April 9, 2007
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a diffrent view
I am a Buddhist and in saying that i belive that there is a force some thing that started the universe,but i do not belive in a "god" as The Buddha said "put no head above you own".i do not belive that there is some god controling people.i belive jesus was a great man, as with moses and gandi.i belive that they are men no more the made many great things happen but i feal they are just people like me and you.Buddhism has no dogma no wars are fought in it's name nor buddha's name.we love all people we listen to all thoughts from nazi's to crusaders.If a person does something bad we belive they do not go to hell we don't belive in it but they come back again as does every one does.in our way of thinking the way we go to "heaven" is through gaining nirvana (enlightenment) when one gains that you see the world as it is as a nutral mind and as buddhists we take no sides. Buddhism is not just a religen but a way of life, it's about bettering oneself because doing this we better the world
sufi786
June 19, 2007
THE ONE TRUE RELIGION IS THE RELIGION OF ABRAHAM
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was true in faith and bowed his will to Allah's (which is Islam) and he joined not gods with Allah(God).Qur'an 3: 67
Lauralove181mn
July 4, 2007
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Oh god! Pun intended
Of all my years discussing different religions. Islam and Christianity are the only two I've ever had pushed down my throat. Now I was raised catholic, but I dont practice. I'm now nondinominational. Just 2 weeks ago, my boyfriends younger brother came to stay with us (he's 17) and he just converted to Islam (curtosy of an Islamic older gentlemen he's been hanging out with, which I'm very curious about)and all he tried to do the whole week he was with us was try to convert us to Islam. He said he could actually PROVE that it was true. NO sweetheart no you can't. You can't with any religion. I will believe what I wish to believe, you don't need to shove something down someones throat. If they want to learn, they'll ask.October 4, 2007
pnktrky
January 24
MindsEye
February 3
Look to the Torah (old testiment)
Genesis 17: 18pnktrky
February 3
Dwn
October 27
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A false prophet
a false prophet by the name of mohamad, came along and convinced a lot of ppl he knew the true ways of God "allah' and so the devil decieved the children of ishmaelJustice Is A Thrill
October 2, 2007
The Opinion
According to your statement that you have an opinion on your lord you are saying that there is something right about it or you wouldn't believe it. No one believes in something they disbelieve - it is physically impossible. Therefore, you are saying to us that your religion is correct even though you are trying to be politically correct. No matter how much people run from this question, it is going to have to be answered sometime. Damn do optimists need a slap in the face sometimes.All religions are myths that humans construct to explain things science can better explain. I’m sorry if it hurts emotionally, people, and if it puts you on Zoloft. Deal with it.
October 4, 2007
Justice Is A Thrill
October 4, 2007
(I'm going to be incredibly biased here as I remember the famous French thinking: One can never write a damn thing without bias.)
Whatever religion you can throw at me, it could never give the tangible effects of science (nor has it helped evolve society in the way science has. In ways of helping society grow, without science we wouldn't even be farming.) Science hasn't "changed," it has evolved. Science has this capability when a set belief system and doctrine doesn't. That is why in science we test, test, test, and hold things as theory rather than fact. Even gravity, in science, is still a theory (though we should all know by now that what goes up must come down
This is why I love science. It asks you to prove, to show, to perform, to reveal, to master, to solve, to question something where faith just gives you answers that are incredibly.... *smiles*
October 4, 2007
As for science, it does change, on a daily basis. One theory is being replaced by another all the time. Yes, there are certain laws that cannot be refuted, or changed, but that does not disprove God.
Kazrith
October 4, 2007
science, unlike religion, is not afraid to say, "oh hey, we got it wrong, we were wrong, lets fix that!"
example: if you went back in time and asked Newton his concept of space/light, he would have told you that light travels in a straight line, unaffected by anything. now Newton was wrong, light is affected by gravity (which can be seen).
Einstein proposed this but he really thought that he was wrong in this area, so wrong one of his colleges pushed him to publish his paper stating the light can and is affected by gravity.
if newton were (example) john/genesis/paul, people would deny this new theory that light is affected by gravity, saying, "how could newton be wrong? he was writing gods word!"
it is truly amazing how the intangible can influence the tangible
February 17
well..
We should define strait line. A line on a spherical place will compass it and become a great circle. Light would move in a strait line, and it would be unaffected by gravity, but the spacetime which is the medium it travels through would be pulled in. Although I can't disagree with you, it simply depends on how you look at it.Kazrith
February 18
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What part of my statement did I commit a fallacy? I mean really? Please show me where did I contradict myself. I do not care for political correctness, it means less than nothing to me and so your allusion to that point is useless.
I clearly stated that there is no correct religion. Personally I am against any form of organized religion so then why would I even advocate for it?
Intuition, connection, spiritual enlightenment have nothing to do with religion. What about the aspect of God that exists in us? That is what I was referring to. I have no qualms to say that I believe in God, all those who do not believe hell...that is their problem.
Religion is not a myth it is a human based ideology. Now if you were to say that some religious texts are myths...I could buy that and even so, one can still learn something from the greatest stories ever written.
As to your Zoloft recommendation well...lol I am sure there are many people who would need to resort to that type of thing, I for one do not.
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I have one question to ask you... how do you believe the world was created? By some intelligent design or evolution or whatever?November 19
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I have one question to ask you... how do you believe the world was created? By some intelligent design or evolution or whatever?November 19
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