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Abortion--wrong or right?

I believe abortion is wrong. And so is the legal system dealing with abortion.

For example: If a person murders someone, it's one count of murder. If a person murders a pregnant woman, it is two counts of murder. If a woman gets an abortion, it is legal. Why is this not thought of as murder?


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  • choice

    i believe it is important to have free will and choice. circumstance is all important

    18%  Voted for by Seether, fairy, Axelle Black, shefalls, Twisted Fairy. (15 total)
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  • Perfectly Fine

    I don't see anything wrong with abortion, If you get one early enough it's not a baby yet at all it's simply a fetus and thats just part of the mother, it should be her choice, if she doesn't want a baby then she shouldn't have it because it would end up having a piss poor life because the mother never wanted it anyway and she would probably but unfit. I think it should be completely up to the mother. If they deny people abortions then women are going to back out on the streets and have ally abortions.

    9%  Voted for by Twisted Fairy, JadedBeauty, -TheLoneWolf-, Xyraz, TheDarknessVisible. (8 total)
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  • Rape

    I believe abortion is both wrong and right..for example: If you are responsible enough to have sex with somebody then you need to be responsible enough to have the baby…in this case I believe abortion is okay..but if a woman is raped or molested and gets pregnant, I believe abortion should be a clear option because if I were raped, I wouldn’t want to be reminded of the horror of the night I was raped..and I doubt the baby will have a happy life growing up knowing that his/her dad was a rapist…

    9%  Voted for by Trisha Militia, Twisted Fairy, iwishuponastar14, Marisa20, ohsweetie2788. (8 total)
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  • WHAT THE HECK!

    GOOD GOD! HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS MURDER. KILLING A HUMAN BEING OR NOT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AGE. WHETHER HE OR SHE IS 1 SECOND OLD OR 100 YEARS OLD. THEY ARE STILL HUMAN. WELL UNLESS SOME IDIOT CAN PROVE THAT THEY'RE ALIEN.

    7%  Voted for by drkbrdmstr, Silent Lullaby, Unheard-Darkness, sufficated, Energizer Bunny. (6 total)
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  • neither right or wrong...

    I have to say that it is wrong to me…but every women has their own rights…if they feel they are unable to care for a child or anything…it’s their choose to terminate the pregnancy…to each thier own..right or wrong

    6%  Voted for by Twisted Fairy, spasticloser, ohsweetie2788, TheDarknessVisible, SenseiRidgway.
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  • Not the mother's fault...

    I’m not talking about under the influence of alcohol. But say the mother was abused by someone or had her drink spiked, or was raped. That can hardly be her fault….I just want to know what other people think of that situation….

    6%  Voted for by Twisted Fairy, Litlyz1, Obsidian Dreams, ohsweetie2788, The Blind Bandit.
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  • Religion vs Legality

    I too am from Oregon, Born in corvallis(liberal) raised in Lebanon and Sodaville(conservative) I am now living in Virginia. I have heard all of the arguments. Now let me give you a little history and philosophy. Before Roe v.s. wade Abortion was illegal. The problem with that is it was not a readilly availabe option. These girls 15, 16 years old had to go to what they call a back alley abortionist. Most of these girls died. people that portrayed themselves to be doctors gave little girls operations with dirty butter knives and coat hangers, so you tell me what is more moral? giving a girl that thinks she has no other option an opportunity to see a real doctor in a clean steril environment or, forcing children to go back to the back alley abortionist. You fail to realize in you self ritcious attitudes wether liberal or conservitive that people are going to make their own decisions on what is right or wrong/what should be legal or illegal. and just because it is or isn't an option for you, that doesn't give anyone the right to tell someone else what to think or how to live. In the end people will make decisions for themselves. Wether they are right or wrong in their thinking, wether it's against god or it's the only viable option. in closing just remember that you are you and I am me. You have your oppinions and I have mine. we all live in a country where we have free choice. Our choices aren't always right and we suffer the consiquences of those choices. Just remember if you are religious "Judge not less ye be judged" and if you are not, that in this country we do have freedom of religion and to religious people abortion is a no no. If we all respect one another in our choices we will all get along a whole lot better.

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  • Let a child grow up without love?

    If a parent isn’t ready to parent, should they have a child anyway? Last week I was in a tattoo shop with my boyfriend, and there was this young mother who was screaming at her child, basically just threatening to beat him up. She said “I’m getting so tired of that STUPID child! WHY did I even have you?”

    Some people aren’t meant to be parents, and if they know this and want to spare the child suffering, why call it murder?

    If you call this murder, than WHAT in god’s name is the war in Iraq? What were the crusades? Please, Christianity as a religion has no right to judge any murderer. The Klu Klux Klan murders, too, and they do it with the Bible as an excuse; that doesn’t mean I say the bible is evil, does it?

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  • Some logic please

    Let us add some logic to the issue. First of all let’s have a clear understanding of what the “woman’s body” is. When we hear those activists claiming that “It’s my body… I can do what I want with it” I assume, and will grant, that they have the intelligence to actually mean “It’s part of my body, and therefore I will do what I want with it.” But lets look closer. Webster so eloquently defines part as “ne of the often indefinite or unequal subdivisions into which something is or is regarded as divided and which together constitute the whole (2) an essential portion or integral element.” So then what we can assume that those women are meaning is that this growth in their uterus is an integral and essential part of their being, without which they will be incomplete. Right? Or do they simply not know how to tell the difference between something that is them, and something that is in them. Do we call germs “part” of us or viruses, or the penny we swallowed as a child. No. So then, as a “fetus” is not a functioning part of her being, then we must admit that it is not “my body, so I can do what ever I want with it.” So then, the baby, or fetus, for those who prefer killing those instead of babies, is a separate entity. Let’s look at a baby 10 minutes after it is born. What has changed from 20 minutes before concerning what it is? Well just a few basic things. On some miniscule scale size is different, the location is different, it has more experience (time makes that unavoidable), and I suppose its overall level of intellectual development has changed. Now, any child at, say, the age of three would have certain dimensions that we could measure and record. Five years later if we measure that same child, those dimensions are going to change, and unless we do something to alter that, it will be inevitably so, because what that child was at three (thinking mainly of genetics) caused him to be what he was five years later. What the abortionist must therefore conclude that the boy is more human at eight years then at three, and therefore it is more acceptable to kill people who are lighter, shorter, and thinner that to kill people who are heavier, taller and fatter. To follow this logic (for the humor) it may be that the tallest, fattest, heaviest person on earth has the right to kill anyone lesser than he, for he is “more human!!” So then, we must conclude two things (unless we want to use that awful standard for rights to kill) one, that size has nothing to do with humanity (and therefore the right to kill) and two that a boy being bigger at eight years than at three is no different that a baby being bigger at 8 months than at three. The size at the eights was determined by what they already were at the threes. I’ll go lighter on the others. Am I less human because I’m in my house and not outside? If I could get outside of the “outside” would I be even more human yet? Does my humanity change as I move from Paris to New York? Do I need to continue? Obviously, location has nothing to do with humanity, so in a uterus or out, who cares, the object is the same both places. Is my Grandma more human than I because she has experienced more of this thing called life? Do I need to proceed with twenty questions on this one too? So then, the quality, quantity, and diversity of experience have nothing to do with humanity. Intellectual development. No one will deny that babies are pretty unrefined in their intellectual capabilities, but what does have to do with humanity? To accept this argument, the Einstein’s of this world are superior humanity to the rest of us (and therefore, according to the abortionists, have the right to kill us). And come again, the senile folks sitting in a retirement home who are easily confused, or who can’t remember important things, like what their first car was, are also less human and ought to be killed as well. Or, we can reject this too, as grounds for destroying babies. Well, I guess that leaves us with little choice. Fetuses become babies which become children, which become adults, which become elderly folk. I can’t see any reason (justice aside) for killing someone at any given stage, just because they have not reached the next yet. Call it what it is, 1’st degree, premeditated…

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  • Wrong

    i believe that abortion is wrong altogether…whether your raped or not…If you dont want a baby but youre dumb enough to go get pregnant anyways then i think you should take care of the baby…if your raped, you should still keep it, it deserves a chance to live just like everybody else…God obviously wanted the baby on this Earth for some reason…

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  • i think...

    though i would never do it any woman should have the right to choose whether or not to keep the baby or get an abortion. i could never do it because i have miscarried and know the empty feeling but if she really doesn’t want the child or feels it is in danger of getting hurt or she just doesn’t want the reposibility it is up to her. most people would say then give it up for adoption but i persoanlly feel that is harder to do especially after you ehld the baby and it tears the mother and her family and husband, boyfriend, lover whatever he is apart. i wouldn’t have an aboriton and i would not give my baby up for adoption, i figure if i am old enough to spread my legs i am old enough to take care of a child if i get pregnant, but to each her own!

    Ash

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  • I think it's wrong, but that's just me....

    So yeah, say a guy kills a pregnant woman and her baby dies too, he gets two charged with two counts of murder, but if a woman goes to an abortion clinic and kills her baby, it’s supposed to be okay. This is just my opinion-it’s wrong, the baby isn’t bg enought o take care of itself, it’s unfair and it’s murder. But I want to know what other people think and hear their arguments.

    2%  Voted for by Im Your Fault, My Antonia.
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  • Unfashionable

    I hate to be unfashianable (an I am an atheist, so don't give me your self righteous left wing bullshit) but you are discussing using surgical tools to extricate an annoyance (child) from the womb of a pregnant woman and then putting it in a jar? Yeah that's what you meant? Good.

    Now this whole rape thing. Rape is terrible and wrong and against all human instinct. But the child conceived through rape is no less incredible than a child conceived otherwise, and I would think that if someone has been raped, becoming pregnant would perhaps be almost consoling.

    2%  Voted for by Alexander Hine, Cornilius.
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  • Disagree..with 1 exeption

    I used to believe that all abortion was right...but recently my views have changed. I dont know why this is...i think it is something to do with what people have told me..and also to do with religion..and the right to life. I think that every person is individual. But i would not agree to anybody having an abortion unless the mother has been raped. If she has been raped then the baby would be a constant reminder of this. She would probably not be able to love it for it was the product of a very cruel and evil event. It would take a strong woman to love a baby after that. I do not know what i would do in any circumstances. But i probably would not be able to bring myself to have an abortion. Even in it was my life that was at risk..because i have lived my life..i could not kill my own child. I am only 15 so i have not experienced any of these problems yet. if and when the circumstances arise my views might have changed..but i doubt it. Somebody said that if a parent isnt ready to be a parent then the child would grow up without love. I disagree...there is adoption..and other options. if you have an abortion then it will have no life at all...which is worse. We all make mistakes..so we should all face the consequences. And haveing a baby is not a mistake..it is a gift. You were a baby once..what if your parents had an abortion? You wouldnt be here would you? People say thay every woman has the right to make her own choice...a right to an abortion if she wants one..wel surely every baby has the right to a life?

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  • wrong...

    Many of you are talking about the rights of a mother to do whatever she wishes, what about the right of the father who also created that life. Why doesn't he have any say? Yes rape and abuse are tragedies and I could understand why somebody would want to have an abortion after that ordeal. Carrying a baby for 9 months then giving birth to it would just bring up terrible memories. If you don't want the daily reminder of the child, the hello caller, adoption. Let that be your option. Let the mother and father who were cursed to not have children be blessed through your incredible misfortune. This doesn't justify that rape has a cause, but let's do the best with what we have. Killing an unborn baby is not doing our best.

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  • Disagree..with 1 exeption

    I used to believe that all abortion was right...but recently my views have changed. I dont know why this is...i think it is something to do with what people have told me..and also to do with religion..and the right to life. I think that every person is individual. But i would not agree to anybody having an abortion unless the mother has been raped. If she has been raped then the baby would be a constant reminder of this. She would probably not be able to love it for it was the product of a very cruel and evil event. It would take a strong woman to love a baby after that. I do not know what i would do in any circumstances. But i probably would not be able to bring myself to have an abortion. Even in it was my life that was at risk..because i have lived my life..i could not kill my own child. I am only 15 so i have not experienced any of these problems yet. if and when the circumstances arise my views might have changed..but i doubt it. Somebody said that if a parent isnt ready to be a parent then the child would grow up without love. I disagree...there is adoption..and other options. if you have an abortion then it will have no life at all...which is worse. We all make mistakes..so we should all face the consequences. And haveing a baby is not a mistake..it is a gift. You were a baby once..what if your parents had an abortion? You wouldnt be here would you? People say thay every woman has the right to make her own choice...a right to an abortion if she wants one..wel surely every baby has the right to a life?

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  • Disagree..with 1 exeption

    I used to believe that all abortion was right...but recently my views have changed. I dont know why this is...i think it is something to do with what people have told me..and also to do with religion..and the right to life. I think that every person is individual. But i would not agree to anybody having an abortion unless the mother has been raped. If she has been raped then the baby would be a constant reminder of this. She would probably not be able to love it for it was the product of a very cruel and evil event. It would take a strong woman to love a baby after that. I do not know what i would do in any circumstances. But i probably would not be able to bring myself to have an abortion. Even in it was my life that was at risk..because i have lived my life..i could not kill my own child. I am only 15 so i have not experienced any of these problems yet. if and when the circumstances arise my views might have changed..but i doubt it. Somebody said that if a parent isnt ready to be a parent then the child would grow up without love. I disagree...there is adoption..and other options. if you have an abortion then it will have no life at all...which is worse. We all make mistakes..so we should all face the consequences. And haveing a baby is not a mistake..it is a gift. You were a baby once..what if your parents had an abortion? You wouldnt be here would you? People say thay every woman has the right to make her own choice...a right to an abortion if she wants one..wel surely every baby has the right to a life?

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  • Anything that is against life is deadly wrong

    you might say in some instance a girl were gang raped and got pregnant? is it a valid reason for abortion? It may be emotionally and psychologically difficult to handle but the life at that girl’s womb is innocent and deserves to live. we are instrument of life by virtue of procreation either we have wanted that baby or not, it deserves to live…......

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  • DAMMIT

    i personally think that it is murder, but like a few have said, it is the mother's choice of what to do. and if anyone tries to take the right to make that choice away, this country wouldn't be that free anymore, even tho it isn't very free now

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  • It's perfectly fine

    There is a time limit in which you can abort a child, and this is there because the foetus is just that, not a baby. It has no feelings, no will to live, it feels no pain. Saying it is a “potential” life is like arguing that the future is certain. Also, a child is better not born than born into a family unfit for a child.

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  • IT IS THE STUPID MOTHER'S CHOICE

    Yes indeed. If the mother does not want her baby. thereby disgracing herself in front of God and her family and relatives and friends, that is her choice. Its EVEN her choice if she wants to kill her child.

    ANY WOMAN WHO WANTS TO HAVE AN ABORTION SHOULD SUFFER THE CONSEQENCES! DIE! DIE! DIE!

    Voted for by drkbrdmstr.
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  • Abortion

    I think abortion should be more about choice for the mother and not about wrong or right because I think the fetus is only life like the liver and heart but it doesn't know that it exists. But where a pregnant woman's baby dies as a result of some accident then that can constitute something more because the woman was trying to bring the fetus to term and not wanting it to be gone.

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  • WRONG

    Abortion..is flat out MURDER!! what would you do if yo momma wanted to kill you? They could at least have the baby and put it up for adoption..but then again i think thats wrong too….

    Voted for by JesusFreak09.
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  • Read for reliable reasons...

    First you got to understand that Abortion is NOT murder, I do not care if you are talking politics or religion. If the mother were to die (anytime in any trimaster), the baby will die as well, thus it does not have it's own life. Therefor, NOT murder. Second, if the right to have an abortion is exiled, what's next? No freedom to speak, no right to fair trial, I mean these fall in exact lines to politics and religion. Third, if Abortion does become illegal, the US Government is going to have to deal with extreme rise in teen suicide (adults too). The baby "dies" anyway.

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  • it depends

    if the mother's life is in danger, then abortion becomes right. otherwise, i consider it unjust and immoral because it's like having the child pay for the consequences of his/her parents' impulsive behavior.

    Voted for by kensdream.
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  • abortion is right

    I believe that abortion sometimes is the only choice. If you say that abortion is wrong you must say that contraception or not having sex in the first place is wrong. Why does it matter how far the baby has developed either way a baby is prevented from living which is usually a good thing.

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  • more than just about abortion

    Promote the single life. Lets help the people we have. Selfish? No I dont think so because if I had a family I would take care of my family. Of course a better job market would always help, financial security. If you cant get a job then you should be able to obtain welfare until work is gained. But then again there will always be unemployment because business only hires what they need, unless the government steps in to help create work and ,or welfare.

    Voted for by teraswu.
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  • Only In The Case Of Rape

    Only in the case of rape do I think that is acceptable, even then I doubt I could do it. But giving birth puts the mothers life in risk to. I dont think that is wrong in any other scenario because it is murder, though it is. But I think its just very irresponsible.

    Voted for by Sot Helvete.
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  • ............

    There are people who dissagree on whether a fetus is really a human being before a certain age, whatever age you think this is determines whether you think the abortion is wrong in a given situation.

    Voted for by ytyt.
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  • Logic please

    Let’s add some logic to the issue. First of all let’s have a clear understanding of what the “woman’s body” is. When we hear those activists claiming that “It’s my body… I can do what I want with it” I assume, and will grant, that they have the intelligence to actually mean “It’s part of my body, and therefore I will do what I want with it.” But lets look closer. Webster so eloquently defines part as “ne of the often indefinite or unequal subdivisions into which something is or is regarded as divided and which together constitute the whole (2) an essential portion or integral element.” So then what we can assume that those women are meaning is that this growth in their uterus is an integral and essential part of their being, without which they will be incomplete. Right? Or do they simply not know how to tell the difference between something that is them, and something that is in them. Do we call germs “part” of us or viruses, or the penny we swallowed as a child. No. So then, as a “fetus” is not a functioning part of her being, then we must admit that it is not “my body, so I can do what ever I want with it.” So then, the baby, or fetus, for those who prefer killing those instead of babies, is a separate entity. Let’s look at a baby 10 minutes after it is born. What has changed from 20 minutes before concerning what it is? Well just a few basic things. On some miniscule scale size is different, the location is different, it has more experience (time makes that unavoidable), and I suppose its overall level of intellectual development has changed. Now, any child at, say, the age of three would have certain dimensions that we could measure and record. Five years later if we measure that same child, those dimensions are going to change, and unless we do something to alter that, it will be inevitably so, because what that child was at three (thinking mainly of genetics) caused him to be what he was five years later. What the abortionist must therefore conclude that the boy is more human at eight years then at three, and therefore it is more acceptable to kill people who are lighter, shorter, and thinner that to kill people who are heavier, taller and fatter. To follow this logic (for the humor) it may be that the tallest, fattest, heaviest person on earth has the right to kill anyone lesser than he, for he is “more human!!” So then, we must conclude two things (unless we want to use that awful standard for rights to kill) one, that size has nothing to do with humanity (and therefore the right to kill) and two that a boy being bigger at eight years than at three is no different that a baby being bigger at 8 months than at three. The size at the eights was determined by what they already were at the threes. I’ll go lighter on the others. Am I less human because I’m in my house and not outside? If I could get outside of the “outside” would I be even more human yet? Does my humanity change as I move from Paris to New York? Do I need to continue? Obviously, location has nothing to do with humanity, so in a uterus or out, who cares, the object is the same both places. Is my Grandma more human than I because she has experienced more of this thing called life? Do I need to proceed with twenty questions on this one too? So then, the quality, quantity, and diversity of experience have nothing to do with humanity. Intellectual development. No one will deny that babies are pretty unrefined in their intellectual capabilities, but what does have to do with humanity? To accept this argument, the Einstein’s of this world are superior humanity to the rest of us (and therefore, according to the abortionists, have the right to kill us). And come again, the senile folks sitting in a retirement home who are easily confused, or who can’t remember important things, like what their first car was, are also less human and ought to be killed as well. Or, we can reject this too, as grounds for destroying babies. Well, I guess that leaves us with little choice. Fetuses become babies which become children, which become adults, which become elderly folk. I can’t see any reason (justice aside) for killing someone at any given stage, just because they have not reached the next yet. Call it what it is, 1’st degree, premeditated…

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